Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics, meanwhile the USA and IMF is helping kill Venezuela
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But the fact is that somehow, Cuba adapted and the government survived, and (despite what you've been told) the Cuban government still retains the loyalty of most people.
Fear? Lack of any conceivable recourse? "Loyalty?" I doubt that. There can be loyalty of a kind to one's home country IN SPITE of how their gov treats them, but that's not much different than a wife staying with an abusive husband.
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Maybe bcause they've learned to dislike the USA so much. There's a lesson in there for us, somewhere.
USA makes for an easy villain - nothing new there. And there's nothing we can do about that from where we are - a country's propaganda will always be stronger than the truth. North Korea?
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Quote:Do you remember little Elian from Cuba? Look it up.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But the fact is that somehow, Cuba adapted and the government survived, and (despite what you've been told) the Cuban government still retains the loyalty of most people.
Fear? Lack of any conceivable recourse? "Loyalty?" I doubt that. There can be loyalty of a kind to one's home country IN SPITE of how their gov treats them, but that's not much different than a wife staying with an abusive husband.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe bcause they've learned to dislike the USA so much. There's a lesson in there for us, somewhere.
USA makes for an easy villain - nothing new there. And there's nothing we can do about that from where we are - a country's propaganda will always be stronger than the truth. North Korea?
The USA is an easy villian for Cuba BECAUSE it's Cuba's nemesis. Is N Korea Cuba's enemy? Iran? France?
It's not like the Cubans fished around in a hat a drew out the USA's name by accident; the USA has had a "regime change" operation against the Cuban government ever since they threw out Batista. Yanno, economic warfare (sanctions, draining the best-educated from CUBA), assassination attempts, an attempted (botched) "invasion" ... seriously, dood, the Cubans don't have to make shit up to think that the USA is their enemy. They think the USA is their enemy because the USA IS their enemy.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Hey six
This is so spot-on "Is there any point(s) in particular that you'd care to argue Signy on here, Marcos, or are we just throwing out insults again in lieu of having any legitimate argument?" can I use it - lightly altered - in my profile?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Do you remember little Elian from Cuba? Look it up.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But the fact is that somehow, Cuba adapted and the government survived, and (despite what you've been told) the Cuban government still retains the loyalty of most people.
Fear? Lack of any conceivable recourse? "Loyalty?" I doubt that. There can be loyalty of a kind to one's home country IN SPITE of how their gov treats them, but that's not much different than a wife staying with an abusive husband.Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Maybe bcause they've learned to dislike the USA so much. There's a lesson in there for us, somewhere.
USA makes for an easy villain - nothing new there. And there's nothing we can do about that from where we are - a country's propaganda will always be stronger than the truth. North Korea?
The USA is an easy villian for Cuba BECAUSE it's Cuba's nemesis. Is N Korea Cuba's enemy? Iran? France?
You make the same mistake so many haters make: you over simplify. Check out migration numbers TO the US FROM Cuba over the last few decades. You'll see evidence that Cubans do not feel that the US is their nemesis, more like their salvation, or at least a better future for them and their families.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's not like the Cubans fished around in a hat a drew out the USA's name by accident; the USA has had a "regime change" operation against the Cuban government ever since they threw out Batista. Yanno, economic warfare (sanctions, draining the best-educated from CUBA), assassination attempts, an attempted (botched) "invasion" ... seriously, dood, the Cubans don't have to make shit up to think that the USA is their enemy. They think the USA is their enemy because the USA IS their enemy.
Total BS. If the US wanted regime change in Cuba it would have happened - Daffy Duck would be el presidente' if the US wanted it. Same old "US BAD!" agitation from SIGHOLE.
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GSTRING Cuban immigration:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/cuban-immigrants-united-states
If you go to the link you'll see that (1) The USA has always treated Cuban immigrants better than other South/ Central/ Carribean immigrants and (2) except for the Mariel boat lift (when approx 125,000 Cuban left), the USA considers roughly 32,000 people per year to be a lot.
There are two conflicting forces on immigration from Cuba (1) The State Dept has traditonally welcomed them into the USA even when the door was shut to other immigrants but (2) the ocan is a formidable barrier.
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As far as the USA wanting "regime change" in Cuba, there have been
other nations which have successfully resisted "regime change" operations, most notably Syria which has Russian help. Dont forget that from 1969 until about 1991 Cuba was under the protection of the Soviet Union which prevented full-on military invasion.
But you seem to think that all of the efforts of the USA to topple the Cuban government were excusable, even if unsuccessful. What are you, some kind of neocon?
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Pity would be no more,
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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GSTRING Cuban immigration:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/cuban-immigrants-united-states
If you go to the link you'll see that (1) The USA has always treated Cuban immigrants better than other South/ Central/ Carribean immigrants and (2) except for the Mariel boat lift (when approx 125,000 Cuban left), the USA considers roughly 32,000 people per year to be a lot.
There are two conflicting forces on immigration from Cuba (1) The State Dept has traditonally welcomed them into the USA even when the door was shut to other immigrants but (2) the ocan is a formidable barrier.
And yet they still came. Read some more about it. Cubans freaked when Obama's time was coming to an end, so some even trekked the long way around through Mexico. That's right - coming to America meant that much to them. So no villain - sorry your logic just fails.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
As far as the USA wanting "regime change" in Cuba, there have been
other nations which have successfully resisted "regime change" operations, most notably Syria which has Russian help. Dont forget that from 1969 until about 1991 Cuba was under the protection of the Soviet Union which prevented full-on military invasion.
How far away is Syria? How far is Cuba? Yeah, think it through one time. And "Russian Help?" That's funny. I give them a lot of credit, though. They know how to act like a friend to gain control, and in the end, essentially make regime change. See: Donald Trump.
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But you seem to think that all of the efforts of the USA to topple the Cuban government were excusable, even if unsuccessful. What are you, some kind of neocon?
Didn't take you long to make sh*t up.
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lol
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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How Russia sank billions of dollars into Venezuelan quicksand
MOSCOW – At the end of 2015, managers at Rosneft, the Russian state-controlled oil firm, sounded the alarm to their bosses about the company’s investments in Venezuela. Rosneft’s local partner, Venezuelan state oil company PDVSA, owed it hundreds of millions of dollars, according to internal documents, and there seemed no prospect things would get better.
“It will be like this for eternity,” a Rosneft internal auditor wrote in an email to a colleague in November 2015, complaining there was no progress in getting PDVSA to explain a $700 million hole in the balance sheet of a joint venture.
The email was among scores of internal Rosneft communications - including presentations, copies of official letters, memos and spreadsheets – reviewed by Reuters. They cover the firm’s operations in Venezuela between 2012 and 2015.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/venezuela-russia-r
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Russia spent billions to build influence in Venezuela. Now it faces a bet gone bad.
Even by Russian standards, it was a day of furious commentary casting the United States as the sinister puppeteer illegally fomenting regime change around the world. But behind the outrage lay an uncomfortable reality: A multibillion-dollar bet on building Russian influence in Latin America suddenly looked like it could quickly go bad.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/01/24/russia-spent-billions-
build-influence-venezuela-now-it-faces-bet-gone-bad/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cb46520f957e
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