Countdown Clock to Trumps impeachment " STARTS"
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I wonder how many people think Bill Clinton committed a crime before taking office?
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Quote:Says the giant bullshitter.
SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course. SIGNY
Signym, you are writing bullshit.
Quote:Been there, done that.
Maybe you'd understand if you have ever tried some huge task as your responsibility to thousands of people that takes thousands of people to accomplish.
Quote:why should an employee care about the companys goals? Does the company care about THEM? Americans rightly understand that conscientiousness and hard work is not rewarded, it's preyed upon.
blah blah blah blah ... It is only their pay that they care about.
Quote:And yet, that is the system that YOU (and they) like: "The messy american system ... where I can do as I please" - even tho it encourages little people to get away with little crimes, it allows big people to get away with big crimes.
It is a pretty unfortunate system for the elite when nearly everybody doesn't give a damn about anybody but themselves or will even bother to understand what being done.
Quote:And yet, nations HAVE built, and rebuilt, themselves. Built themselves up from peasantry to industrialism. Rebuilt themselves from times of war and collapse. Consciously and deliberately. So, it is possible. The problem is, average Americans would have to stop doing as they please but -more importantly- you and the other elites would have to stop doing as YOU please.
They have non-overlapping goals in millions of lists.
Quote:Why? Trump is not the cause of our current problem, he's a symptom.
Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump.
Quote:No, th ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".
Americans have built a country that is all about money -- getting it, spending it, cheating people out of it.
You fit right in to the elite mold.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Sigmund Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays, spotted the weaknesses that many Americans have. Americans don’t want to make big decisions, fear being responsible, and don’t swiftly correct their errors. Most won't even admit to error: see the people who voted for Trump. Trump knows these three weakness about Americans. He has been getting rich from other’s weaknesses for decades. It is a ready made situation for a hierarchy to take over a crowd of indecisive, fearful Republicans that are bluffing about their confidence in themselves. Trump’s advantage in swindling these people is that he does not admit to error and can hide his fearfulness. He’s not particularly good at making decisions, either, but he sure can pretend. That’s all he needs in order to gather a mob for himself to rule. That, plus a civil court system that never functioned well.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, the ELITES have built a narrative that is all about money. I think you should watch "A Century of Self" and how a message was crafted for and relentlessly pushed on "the masses".
The Mueller investigation is showing how badly we’ve failed to prosecute white-collar crime. It shouldn’t take a special counsel to catch these guys.
www.vox.com/2018/8/21/17757636/cohen-manafort-white-collar-crime
Kavanaugh and Trump are part of a larger crisis of elite accountability in America
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/9/21/17876832/kavanaugh-trump-cri
sis-elite-accountability
Trump isn’t a toddler — he’s a product of America’s culture of impunity for the rich
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/18/15654566/trump-toddler
Trump’s “law and order” attorney general wants to throw the book at relatively small-time drug offenders. Trump himself has spent his entire career skating away from lawbreaking with a fine paid here and a political contribution there. He’s an unusual figure, but also very much an exemplar of his era and a product of a decades-long ideological campaign to do as much as possible to empower the wealthy and powerful.
From his empty-box tax scam to money laundering at his casinos to racial discrimination in his apartments to Federal Trade Commission violations for his stock purchases to Securities and Exchange Commission violations for his financial reporting, Trump has spent his entire career breaking various laws, getting caught, and then essentially plowing ahead unharmed. When he was caught engaging in illegal racial discrimination to please a mob boss, he paid a fine. There was no sense that this was a repeated pattern of violating racial discrimination law, and certainly no desire to take a closer look at his various personal and professional connections to the Mafia.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Amazing that, while ignoring the never ending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated...
Cites? What crimes?
Amazing that, while constantly claiming of a never ending roster of crimes that Obama & Clinton perpetrated, the GOP has never successfully indicted either of them for ANY single crime. Not even after 7 Benghazi trials. Nothing, nada, zero. How ineffective is the GOP? That's like the definition of gross incompetence if your claims are correct. Or maybe you're just making sh*t up?
Manafort gets sentenced tomorrow. Exciting shit ain't it?
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Quote:Symptom? He is not the cause? Signym, please stop using metaphors. Use the right description by blaming Trump and the GOP:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Why? Trump is not the cause of our current problem, he's a symptom.
Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump.
Over the course of 2017, both in Congress and in the executive branch, we have watched the task of government devolve into the full-scale looting of America.
Politicians are making decisions to enrich their donors — and at times themselves personally — with a reckless disregard for any kind of objective policy analysis or consideration of public opinion.
A businessman president who promised — repeatedly — that he would not personally benefit from his own tax proposals is poised to sign into law a bill that’s full of provisions that benefit him and his family. Congressional Republicans who spent years insisting that “dynamic scoring” would capture the deficit-reducing power of tax cuts are now plowing ahead with a bill so fast that they don’t have time to get one done, because it turns out they can’t be bothered to meet their own targets.
Meanwhile, in the background an incredible flurry of regulatory activity is happening out of public view — much of it contrary to free market principles but all of it lucrative for big business and Trump cronies.
Members of Congress who under other circumstances might be constrained by shame, custom, or the will of their constituents have learned from Trump’s election that you can get away with more than we used to think.
Norm erosion is real, and it matters. Economists Daron Acemoglu and Matthew Jackson of MIT and Stanford have written about how rules are only effective when they are backed up by social norms “because detection relies, at least in part, on whistle-blowing.” Their Spanish colleague Patricia Funk emphasizes that in a variety of contexts, “the strength of the social norm of ‘not committing a crime’ is shaped by social interactions.”
These scholars are all considering deep, long-lasting differences in cultural norms, but we also know from experience that norms can sometimes shift dramatically in unusual circumstances. Sometimes a blackout or other disaster prompts a few people who would ordinarily be too cautious to break store windows in broad daylight to become more brazen. And the normal course of ordinary life flips into reverse, as those with some inclination toward bad acts recognize a moment of impunity and grab what they can, while those who would ordinarily be invested in upholding order are afraid and stay inside. The sheer quantity of bad acts makes it impossible for anyone to hold anyone accountable. Soon, a whole neighborhood can be in ruins.
Or a whole country.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/19/16786006/looting-of-america
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by SECOND
Weak Americans ... blah blah blah Trump blah blah blah GOP... blah blah ...
SECOND, first you claim that "the problem" is inherent in the American people (once again demonstrating your hatred of America) and then you lay it all on Trump. Which is it? Make up your mind.
Do you have a mind?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Signym, this isn't as complicated as you make it seem. Trump was loud and clear about who he is and what he has done. Yet he was elected. He let the Trump voters know everything about himself. Even that he is a hardcore tax cheater:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:
Originally posted by SECOND
Weak Americans ... blah blah blah Trump blah blah blah GOP... blah blah ...
SECOND, first you claim that "the problem" is inherent in the American people (once again demonstrating your hatred of America) and then you lay it all on Trump. Which is it? Make up your mind.
Do you have a mind?
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
Trump has a criminal past. And yet he got elected. There is something wrong with those voters for ignoring that. The voters can't claim ignorance and thus dodge responsibility for what they have done. Trump made it very clear who he has always been.
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474
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And then there is the matter of money. That's the one thing everybody knows about Trump, that he is rich. One of the most pressing questions facing America, currently under assault by incredibly rich, incredibly evil people: “What is the monetary amount where your soul turns?” Guess what? Trump surpassed the number by a factor of at least 100 times larger. And yet he got elected. There has got to be something wrong with people who voted for Trump if they didn't make the connection between his wealth, plus how he achieved wealth, and what he would be doing once he was President.
See the funny video where the audience works out that number:
https://slate.com/culture/2019/03/hasan-minhaj-deep-cuts-how-much-mone
y-ruins-soul.html
The segment ends without reaching a clear consensus on the exact point at which money ruins someone’s soul, and that’s a question we’ll need a serious answer for, but Trump is definitely on the wrong side of the line. And it was wrong to vote for him. But if America is all about money, first-last-always, then it is unsurprising that Trump was elected -- he had the most money.
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SECOND, do you really REALLY think that Trump is worse than ... say ... Bill and Hillary Clinton? Or Obama?
I've got news for you, muchacho, people sometimes actually vote for a person who promises POLICY changes, not a WH "daddy" or "mommy".
IMHO the REAL driver of the vote for Trump? "More of the same" was simply intolerable for half of the voting public.
And btw, you seem to think that "democrats" represent "the people"... this, after
your post on JFK as a cowardly sex addict who who was being blackmailed by the FBI and Johnson as crude, vulgar and sadistic person ... but whatever affinity the Democratic Party had for "the people" they lost it, certainly by the time Billy boy took office. All you have to do is look at what Billy "accomplished" ... "free" trade, commodities speculation, extra intellectual property rights for digital content, the end of banking effective banking regulation, and the end of welfare as we know it ... to know that Billy-boy was in the pockets of some very wealthy banking elites.
God, you're worse than Trump.
BTW, I'm not posting this for you; you're a lost cause. Your brain has been pickled in bile and hatred for years, and you no longer know which way is up.
When I look at the environmental, economic, financial, fiscal, and social crises that are upon us... and the Democrats, pretending that they can spend their way over those vast cracks by printing more money .... holy fuck, SECOND, we're in such deep shit, and both the DNC and the GOP are engaging in deep denial that I can't help but predict complete collapse in five years.
Meanwhile, you endlessly rant from your soapbox about the stupidest stuff.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:You have lost your mind, Signym, if you forgive Trump for cheating on his taxes and for paying minor penalties rather than going to prison like an Enron executive goes to prison.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, do you really REALLY think that Trump is worse than ... say ... Bill and Hillary Clinton? Or Obama?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enron_scandal
Quote:Signym, check back here in 5 years. I predict your predictions will be wrong. But I don't have to wait 5 years to know you have been crazy for the previous 5 years. (Personal note: Sixty years ago I remember the preachers predicting Armageddon [could be] just around the corner. The preachers could be right, eventually, but not yet. I hope to live long enough to see it up close and real personal. I'll bring popcorn and soft drinks for everybody, like it is a movie we are living inside until the Director kills all us wicked people to make a dramatic point for those who will be Saved: www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Armageddon )
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When I look at the environmental, economic, financial, fiscal, and social crises that are upon us... and the Democrats, pretending that they can spend their way over those vast cracks by printing more money .... holy fuck, SECOND, we're in such deep shit, and both the DNC and the GOP are engaging in deep denial that I can't help but predict complete collapse in five years.
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SECOND, Bill and Hillary are a crime family. There have been crimes PROVEN against them. Associates, like the McDougals, who went to prison protecting them. A pattern (by Bill) of rape and/or sexual assault. A CLEAR pattern of hiding evidence, like the Whitewater files that conveniently turned up right after the case was dropped, and the 33,0000 emails about Chelsea's wedding and yoga pants that were careully bleach-bitted from Hillary's private (illegal) server. Vast sums of foreign money poured into the "Clinton Foundation" and into "speakers fees" (like the $500,000 that Bill got for a speech in Russia). Even deeper, darker allegations, like the trail of "suicides" that runs heavily thru the list of people who were to testify against the Clintons; or the number of times that Bill travelled on the Lolita Express, and even the Haitian child trafficking funded by Bill's "aid to Haiti" which seems to gone into everyone's pockets EXCEPT the Haitians. (Interestingly, I heard a comment by a foreign journalist who knew somebody who had recently lived in Haiti for six months; he said that the level of depravity in Haiti ... from child sex slavery to organ harvesting .... was shocking; and this was the kind of activity that Bill's "charity" was supposedly engaged in).
There is nothing that you can post that would shock me. People at that level of power are often depraved or ideologically crazed or just completely corrupted; doesn't matter which party they're in. It's the whole "power corrupts" problem, except that people in power aren't innocents who've been corrupted by power: The system sifts for sociopaths and psychopaths; it rewards them.
And you wonder why the hoi polloi don't want to play by the rules!?!?
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Pity would be no more,
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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