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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 1:40 PM

Only 2,249 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

How exciting. 002180

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 7:43 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Amazing that, while ignoring the neverending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated, these Trolls believe all of the Fake implications and innuendos that aren't even crimes.

Trump has already been caught cheating on his taxes: The president’s parents, Fred and Mary Trump, transferred well over $1 billion in wealth to their children, which could have produced a tax bill of at least $550 million under the 55 percent tax rate then imposed on gifts and inheritances.

The Trumps paid a total of $52.2 million, or about 5 percent, tax records show.
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html

And Trump continues to cheat on his taxes: President Trump really, really doesn’t want the public to see his tax returns. To keep them from view, he has endured a controversy that has now been running for three years, with all the attendant bad publicity and persistent questions, so it was obviously worth a great deal of political risk to make sure they remained secret.

It is absolutely necessary to examine the Trump Organization’s returns as well, since Trump refused to divest himself of his assets as other presidents had done and, even as we speak, it serves as a conduit for all kinds of interested parties — both foreign and domestic — to put money in the president’s pocket.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 8:20 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Amazing that, while ignoring the never ending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated...

Cites? What crimes?

Amazing that, while constantly claiming of a never ending roster of crimes that Obama & Clinton perpetrated, the GOP has never successfully indicted either of them for ANY single crime. Not even after 7 Benghazi trials. Nothing, nada, zero. How ineffective is the GOP? That's like the definition of gross incompetence if your claims are correct. Or maybe you're just making sh*t up?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:09 PM

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SECOND, every time I read your post and I get that Charlie Brown whuhwhahwuuwhaehu sound in my head. I have no idea who the fuck you think you're posting to. It's like you're trying to "break" my "faith" in Trump when I had no "faith" to begin with. I had three objectives when I voted for Trump, remember? Had nothing to do with him being a nice guy or a great speaker or draining the swamp or making America great again or balancing the budget or being a man of the people. I did call him a national capitalist, remember?

I hope I'm judging him by those three objectives. So far he's made better progress on two of the three, far better than Hillary would have, and made complete hash of the third. Trump deserves criticisms but not on the random and hate filled grounds that you constantly fling at the board. SIGNY

What were your 3 objectives again?-JSF

1) Stay out of "free trade agreements" that give up our sovereignty ... ie our ability to make our own laws and standards ... to a secret, corporate transnational trade tribunal which decides on the basis of "normal and expected profits". If a city (state, or the USA) wanted to ban glyphosate, for example, it could be sued by Monsanto on the basis that it interfered with "normal and expected profits", and Monsanto would win. I was mostly concerned about TTP and TTIP.

2) Make an issue out of illegal immigration instead of secretly promoting it. Not "build a wall" but do whatever was necesssary to both reduce the inflow of illegal immigrants and improve deportation.

3) Make nice with Russia and (presumably) Russia's partners. My hope was that Trump would find a way to end our endless wars and interventions abroad since much of it was based on reflexive Brzezinski-era neocon thinking, altho I DID point out that Trump's anti-Iranian stance was going to conflict with his Russia-neutral stance. I wasn't sure how that would play out. But I see that Trump is exremely concerned about the strength of the petrodollar - plus he's reflexively pro-Israel (prolly because Kushner is driving that aspect of foreign policy) and that Trump ... whatever his original objectives might have been ... has painted himself into a neocon corner.

As GSTRING himself has pointed out, I'm vociferously and consistently anti-war/anti-intervention and have been thru the GWB wars/interventions, the Obama wars/interventions and the Trump wars (so far, no actual wars) and interventions. THAT is where Trump deserves long and loud criticism.

I said that Trump would never be able to rebuild our economy (that is a multi-decade project which would require that the government be able to direct investment into certain critical areas), and of course draining the swamp and getting rid of The Fed and fractional reserve banking is enitrely out of reach. I'm also against his environmental, tax, fiscal, and monetary (pressuring Powell) policies and think that Trump is way too concerned about the stock market - but those are all entirely reversible by the next administration simply because WE HAVE NOT BEEN HOGTIED BY INTERNATIONAL "FREE TRADE" AGREEMENTS. IMHO THAT issue was of such permanent importance that I was willing to give up on some other goals temporarily in favor of that.

I don't think that GSTRING and REAVERBOT understand how critically important that was for the USA ... not to maintain its environmental standards, but to maintain our LEGAL and ECONOMIC CAPACITY to make those decisions in the future. As I posted: Ocasio Cortez n thank Trump any time now for HER ability to propose New Green Deal, to propose reshaping our energy infrastructure and subsidize who we want to subsidize ... because under TTP and TTIP it would have been deader than a doornail.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for p

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:37 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

As GSTRING himself has pointed out, I'm vociferously and consistently anti-war/anti-intervention and have been thru the GWB wars/interventions, the Obama wars/interventions and the Trump wars (so far, no actual wars) and interventions. THAT is where Trump deserves long and loud criticism.

I said that Trump would never be able to rebuild our economy (that is a multi-decade project which would require that the government be able to direct investment into certain critical areas), and of course draining the swamp and getting rid of The Fed and fractional reserve banking is enitrely out of reach. I'm also against his environmental, tax, and fiscal policies - but those are all entirely reversible by the next administration simply because WE HAVE NOT BEEN HOGTIED BY INTERNATIONAL "FREE TRADE" AGREEMENTS. IMHO THAT issue was of such permanent importance that I was willing to give up on some other goals temporarily in favor of that.

I don't think that GSTRING and REAVERBOT understand how critically important that was for the USA ... not to maintain its environmental standards, but to maintain our LEGAL and ECONOMIC CAPACITY to make those decisions in the future. As I posted: Ocasio Cortez n thank Trump any time now for HER ability to propose New Green Deal, because under TTP and TTIP it would have been deader than a doornail.

Signym, there is no combination of people that can make your imaginary USA into a reality, no matter how many centuries they have. Not the President alone could make it happen, no matter how energetic, clear thinking or charismatic. Not the President plus Congress. Not the legislatures of all 50 states. Signym, you are fantasizing. I guess if you took everyone in the USA and lumped them into one powerful group, maybe your imaginary USA could come into existence, but it won't be a functioning group because everyone will be pulling in different directions. See the last 200 years of American history for how that happens.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:44 PM

SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, the USA's dilemmas are the result of bad policy decisions made by the elite. AMERICA IS AN OLIGARCHY, remember? And, you LIKE it this way- you said so yourself. No wonder you keep arguing that nothing can be changed because - ultimately - you don't want it to. It cuts across your vital self-interest. Cui bono? YOU. Of course.

Signym, you are writing bullshit. Maybe you'd understand if you have ever tried some huge task as your responsibility to thousands of people that takes thousands of people to accomplish. I don't know who you are, but I am pretty sure you have always been on the outside watching and not understanding what is happening around you. I notice a lot of employees don't understand what they are doing, why it is important, or why (when they do it badly) that they have screwed over people they never knew. They could not care less. It is only their pay that they care about. It is a pretty unfortunate system for the elite when nearly everybody doesn't give a damn about anybody but themselves or will even bother to understand what being done.

Look at the corporate world. When a company gets past a million workers, it has enormous difficulties reaching its simple goals. Now take a third of billion Americans. They can't possibly function together to attain simple goals because they don't have a unified list of goals. They have non-overlapping goals in millions of lists.

Maybe I should tie this all back to Trump. Americans have built a country that is all about money -- getting it, spending it, cheating people out of it. Unsurprising that Trump is also all about money. He kept his businesses. He keeps cheating on his taxes. He can't be bothered to understand that when he does his job badly he is screwing over people he never knew. So long as the money keeps flowing to Trump, he thinks he has done right.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
\Amazing that, while ignoring the neverending roster of crimes that Obama perpetrated, these Trolls believe all of the Fake implications and innuendos that aren't even crimes.

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."

Obama = bad, Trump = good, Putin = God. Russian troll.

SECOND

Wednesday, March 6, 2019 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."

Sixty-four percent of respondents to the survey think that Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, compared to 24 percent who do not and 13 percent who said they didn’t know. When the data is broken out across party lines, a whopping 89 percent of Democrats think Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, while a still-notable 33 percent of Republicans do. Sixty-five percent of independents also said they felt the same.

When it comes to the question of potential crimes during Trump’s time in office, people are a bit more unsure. Forty-five percent of respondents said they believed he had committed crimes since taking office, while 43 percent disagreed.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2603

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, March 7, 2019 12:22 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Yeah, all those fictional "Obama crimes."
Sixty-four percent of respondents to the survey think that Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, compared to 24 percent who do not and 13 percent who said they didn’t know. When the data is broken out across party lines, a whopping 89 percent of Democrats think Trump committed a crime prior to taking office, while a still-notable 33 percent of Republicans do. Sixty-five percent of independents also said they felt the same.

When it comes to the question of potential crimes during Trump’s time in office, people are a bit more unsure. Forty-five percent of respondents said they believed he had committed crimes since taking office, while 43 percent disagreed.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2603

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Ask me if any politician committed a crime before taking office and I'll tell you 100% of them did.

Do Right, Be Right. :)