' The truth - We will go extinct, very soon.'
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UPDATED: Sunday, May 18, 2025 05:23
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That's the real problem.
Say what you will about the Green New Deal, but we currently have leaders who brag about our oil production and scoff at the very idea that we're about to go extinct.
They're busy plotting another coup in Venezuela, and a war in Iran. They're striving for a military-based hegemony that requires control of all oil supplies just to be viable.
That won't matter at all in 100 years.
What good is power when there's no one alive to have power over?
They're like trumptards, who, in spite of his constant lying and gaslighting, and his lifetime of deep corruption, sincerely believe he is God's chosen president.
We refuse to read the writing on the wall. We will die from cognitive dissonance.
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Quote:My idea of Social Engineering is built on rewards and punishment. A reward example would be subsidize the cost of installing photovoltaic (PV) solar panels on a house or business building. A punishment example would be a carbon tax on fossil fuel. Both rewards and punishments revolve around money and, you know people, they don't wanna pay. They want somebody, not themselves, to pay. And that is how we get into these disastrous situations where the government won't deal in rewards and punishments because it is afraid of the majority voters, D or R. The majority doesn't wanna pay.
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Remember my little anecdote about recycling and how it wasn't happening until our locals made it easy? That's The Trick - turn Americans/Humans inherent sloth and self interest back on themselves to get them to do the right thing. Think of it as Aikido Social Engineering. It has a chance. But for it to work we have to get rid of that fat orange PoS and his GOP lackeys. Otherwise you and Reaverfan will probably be right.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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The fact is, it's already too late. If we did every possible thing we could right now to stop it, we would only slow it down a little.
The glaciers will melt, 90% or more of species will not be able to adapt to the changes fast enough. The plankton will die off, most of the sea life, the CO2 and methane sequestered in permafrost and the arctic will be released, accelerating even rapider increases in global temps.
Say goodbye to the polar bears and penguins, the coral reefs and rain forests. They're going and they're not coming back.
We've caused the world to slough us off like an infection. We will die out in a barren, dying, unfruitful world in which no mammals are likely to survive in a century or less. There won't be one person alive in 100 years.
Some of you may be young enough that you'll be there when the last few people finally give up and die.
I wish there was hope, but there really isn't. We're done for.
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Originally posted by second:My idea of Social Engineering is built on rewards and punishment. A reward example would be subsidize the cost of installing photovoltaic (PV) solar panels on a house or business building. A punishment example would be a carbon tax on fossil fuel. Both rewards and punishments revolve around money and, you know people, they don't wanna pay. They want somebody, not themselves, to pay. And that is how we get into these disastrous situations where the government won't deal in rewards and punishments because it is afraid of the majority voters, D or R. The majority doesn't wanna pay.
Rewards are great - they seem to have a decent success %. I'm not a big fan of punishments though - they fail a lot. Jails are full of examples. Humans are quick to push back if they think they are being punished, even if they deserve it, because they will always think it tragically unfair. So they will spend time fighting and dodging and nothing gets done.
So one possibility: rewards only. The 1% are smart and probably especially vain - give them something big and important they can put their stamp on (even their name) and let them donate to the cause at the same time. Call it Patriot Sponsorship - Freedom Skies, something something Red, White and Blue. They can have billboards and coffee table books made dipicting how they improved the air over their favorite state. Engage them in the process, "We couldn't have done it without you!" They're looking for the next ego boost - give it to them for a price.
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Quote:When I was thinking about "saving all life on Earth" I was thinking about the politics and the cost along similar lines to how slavery was ended. There was three ways to end slavery:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by second:My idea of Social Engineering is built on rewards and punishment. A reward example would be subsidize the cost of installing photovoltaic (PV) solar panels on a house or business building. A punishment example would be a carbon tax on fossil fuel. Both rewards and punishments revolve around money and, you know people, they don't wanna pay. They want somebody, not themselves, to pay. And that is how we get into these disastrous situations where the government won't deal in rewards and punishments because it is afraid of the majority voters, D or R. The majority doesn't wanna pay.
Rewards are great - they seem to have a decent success %. I'm not a big fan of punishments though - they fail a lot. Jails are full of examples. Humans are quick to push back if they think they are being punished, even if they deserve it, because they will always think it tragically unfair. So they will spend time fighting and dodging and nothing gets done.
So one possibility: rewards only. The 1% are smart and probably especially vain - give them something big and important they can put their stamp on (even their name) and let them donate to the cause at the same time. Call it Patriot Sponsorship - Freedom Skies, something something Red, White and Blue. They can have billboards and coffee table books made dipicting how they improved the air over their favorite state. Engage them in the process, "We couldn't have done it without you!" They're looking for the next ego boost - give it to them for a price.
1) The British model to end slavery by purchasing the slaves. This cost 5% of the British GDP. That is the reward side of motivating people (slave-owners) to change their minds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_Abolition_Act_1833#Payments_for_
slave_owners
2) The American model to end slavery depended on dealing out punishment to the slave-owners in the Civil War. This cost between 10 to 20 percent of GNP for both North and South.
https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/2662305/Goldin_EconomicCos
t.pdf
3) The cheap solution that most people imagine will work is talk about ending slavery for "Four Score and Seven Years". But eventually, you have to choose either 1) or 2) if you actually want to end slavery or want to "save all life on Earth".
Personally, I think the British model was more effective and cheaper than a Civil War. If the World is going to save itself from death, it is gonna cost some serious percentage of the World's money, but the longer the World thinks the cost-free solution #3 will work, the more the final cost will be and the less of the World's life will be saved.
The annual World Economic Product (2018) is $134.981 trillion. If the World used 5% of that (as the British did to end slavery) to saving the world from death, that might be enough to make a difference. But I'm sure the World would much rather talk about it than pay for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:we have set in motion positive feedback cycles that will ony make warming worse: The melting of the glaciers and polar ice caps will reduce the reflectance (albedo) of the earth. Warming oceans will give up the CO2 that they previously absorbed. Warming permafrost will exhale methane (a potent greenhouse gas). It doesn't help that we've spewed god-knows how many quintillion carbon-based soot particles that land on everything and act like a thin coat of black paint, making everything aborb even more light and turning it into more heat.
Originally posted by reaverfan:
The fact is, it's already too late. If we did every possible thing we could right now to stop it, we would only slow it down a little.
The glaciers will melt, 90% or more of species will not be able to adapt to the changes fast enough. The plankton will die off, most of the sea life, the CO2 and methane sequestered in permafrost and the arctic will be released, accelerating even rapider increases in global temps.
Say goodbye to the polar bears and penguins, the coral reefs and rain forests. They're going and they're not coming back.
We've caused the world to slough us off like an infection. We will die out in a barren, dying, unfruitful world in which no mammals are likely to survive in a century or less. There won't be one person alive in 100 years.
Some of you may be young enough that you'll be there when the last few people finally give up and die.
I wish there was hope, but there really isn't. We're done for.
All because we allowed a few very powerful sociopathic parasites to control our economies and our media.
If we were to get on the ball and equalize our wealth distribution so that nobody would go without the necessities, then we could credibly ask people to reduce their standard of living: make more production local, reduce automation and increase reliance on labor-power, end the appeal of laziness and mass consumption of cheap goods which need to be replaced one year later, stop funding the Pentagon's pointless consumption of energy steaming ships and flying planes all over creation, turn our attention (and our labor power) to restoring our environment. IF we do all of these things we may be able to avert planet Venus.
But everyone is entranced with a lifestyle in which we play endless videogames or interact addictively on social media, "earning" a living with nothing-burger jobs that rrequire no work and no thought, infantalized into compliance while we walk over a cliff.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. nI CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .
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Quote:Trump pulled America out of the Paris Climate Agreement. And he does have control of the American economy. And his image and voice are constantly on the media. And he has been a parasite cheating many people out of their money by taking his businesses into bankruptcy. Who voted to give control to Trump the Powerful Sociopath Parasite? 62,984,828 Americans are responsible for Trump because they voted for him.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
All because we allowed a few very powerful sociopathic parasites to control our economies and our media.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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A guy on Reddit said this:
I was at a XR meeting yesterday, and one of the organizers had recently met scientists who gave conferences on climate change at Davos.
The scientists said the rich asked them questions like "Is this villa in NZ safe from tsunamis?" and "How to prevent security guards from turning against me?"
And also "Is being the only one with access to the food storage enough?"
XR means Extinction Rebellion, a growing international group who understand what's at stake.
What these rich people don't understand is that their wealth won't save them. The planet is being rendered unlivable. No one, regardless of what they have, will be able to live on this planet.
You might as well try to live on Mars.
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You guys must be great at parties.
I'm going to choose to be cautiously optimistic on this one. It's not too late, and Greed will find a way.
Otherwise, why even bother contemplating it, let alone discuss it?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Hey, Second!
Keep your cows from farting and fucking up muh ozone layer, mkay?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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