Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics, meanwhile the USA and IMF is helping kill Venezuela

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REAVERFAN

Saturday, January 26, 2019 7:36 PM

It's just what you do.

REAVERFAN

Monday, January 28, 2019 10:04 PM

AP Exclusive: Anti-Maduro coalition grew from secret talks
https://apnews.com/d548c6a958ee4a1fb8479b242ddb82fd

Boots Riley: "This AP article shows that this coup attempt in Venezuela has been being planned since Trump entered office. Many of the protests were partially planned outside of Venezuela by the US, other South American right-wing leaders, Trump, and the Lima Group."
https://twitter.com/BootsRiley/status/1089747898869329921

SIGNYM

Monday, January 28, 2019 10:48 PM

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

THG

Tuesday, January 29, 2019 3:42 AM

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Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics

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Agreed...

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 29, 2019 5:45 PM

From RF's link

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It was no small diplomatic feat, comparable in recent times only to how the hemisphere in 1994 rallied behind Jean Bertrand Aristide to bring him back to power in Haiti after we was deposed in a coup, given the mistrust of the U.S. in Latin America stemming from U.S. military interventions in the region during the Cold War. Just as impressive, the tough-handed approach drew bipartisan support, with two of the Senate’s most senior Democrats, Dick Durbin and Bob Menendez, offering praise.

It seems that BOTH parties are filled with neocons and warhawks. Obama, despite having voted against the Iraq war (a reason to vote for him over Hillary) managed to destroy at least three nations during his presidency, and it looks like Trump- despite his campaign promises - is following in Obama's footsteps.

Great. Just great.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

THG

Saturday, February 2, 2019 7:21 PM

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Russia should never interfere in any other nation's internal politics

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Agreed...

Venezuelan general recognizes opposition leader Guaido as president

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-general-idUSKCN1
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6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, February 2, 2019 7:54 PM

Wasn't Venezuela some sort of celebrated Socialist Utopia or something?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Saturday, February 2, 2019 9:06 PM

Venezuela did what Ocasio-Cortez wants to do ... Chavez nationalized Venezueal's oil wealth, and used it to "help" poor people (education, healthcare, housing) WITHOUT BUILDING A PRODUCTIVE STABLE ECONOMY AS WELL.

Venezuela relied on its oil money (like Ocasio-Cortez wants to rely on our financialization-money) to import almost everything. Then, when oil prices fell (or when the dollar will fall) suddenly imports became unaffordable, and they had a large swath of the population used to government handouts who were suddenly going hungry. But, they didn't know how to farm ... or anything else for that matter ... so society fell apart.

Cuba went thru something similar when the USSR fell apart. Suddenly, all those trade deals for oil imports were void, and Cuba went thru an energy shock the likes of which have not been seen before or since. But Cubans, if nothing else, knew how to farm, and the embargo that the USA placed on Cuba made self-sufficiency a higher priority. So the government made farming and food production a priority, and altho people lost weight they actually became healthier because they ate less fatty pork and more beans and vegetables, and the Cubans got thru it.

There's no social discipline in Venezuela - like there's no social discipline here - just a bunch of urban poor who got used to things being given to them. It's a common problem for nations rich in oil (or some other valued trade item like the petrodollar) to rely on that commodity for everything, but if that commodity goes sour then the people are hosed. What you have left are a bunch of people who're used to being "consumers"... and there's nothing to "consume".

Each nation needs to build it's economy to be as self-sufficient as possible with whatever resources it has. Venezuela would have been far better off importing Cuban farmers instead of Cuban doctors, and learning how to make use of its mild climate and fertile soil.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

REAVERFAN

Sunday, February 3, 2019 12:32 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Venezuela did what Ocasio-Cortez wants to do ... Chavez nationalized Venezueal's oil wealth, and used it to "help" poor people (education, healthcare, housing) WITHOUT BUILDING A PRODUCTIVE STABLE ECONOMY AS WELL.

Venezuela relied on its oil money (like Ocasio-Cortez wants to rely on our financialization-money) to import almost everything. Then, when oil prices fell (or when the dollar will fall) suddenly imports became unaffordable, and they had a large swath of the population used to government handouts who were suddenly going hungry. But, they didn't know how to farm ... or anything else for that matter ... so society fell apart.

Cuba went thru something similar when the USSR fell apart. Suddenly, all those trade deals for oil imports were void, and Cuba went thru an energy shock the likes of which have not been seen before or since. But Cubans, if nothing else, knew how to farm, and the embargo that the USA placed on Cuba made self-sufficiency a higher priority. So the government made farming and food production a priority, and altho people lost weight they actually became healthier because they ate less fatty pork and more beans and vegetables, and the Cubans got thru it.

There's no social discipline in Venezuela - like there's no social discipline here - just a bunch of urban poor who got used to things being given to them. It's a common problem for nations rich in oil (or some other valued trade item like the petrodollar) to rely on that commodity for everything, but if that commodity goes sour then the people are hosed. What you have left are a bunch of people who're used to being "consumers"... and there's nothing to "consume".

Each nation needs to build it's economy to be as self-sufficient as possible with whatever resources it has. Venezuela would have been far better off importing Cuban farmers instead of Cuban doctors, and learning how to make use of its mild climate and fertile soil.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

You're a joke, Russian troll.

SIGNYM

Sunday, February 3, 2019 2:44 AM

It's not that the wealthy shouldn't be taxed ... btw since the wealthy make their money on capital gains, not wages, it would be better to restore capital gains tax, and also tax short-term gains higher than long-term gains (In fact, it would be best to understand HOW this ginormous wealth disparity came about in the first place and eliminate those pathways) ... the question is what to do with the money.

If all you do is hand the money to people, then you're following the Venezuelan plan, because all that will happen is that people will take that money and spend it ... on goods made in China. Good for China, bad for us.

So along with the "peace economy" that Ocasio-Cortez proposed, which would save a metric crap-ton of Federal money, there are several options for that cash

1) Reduce our Federal debt, which makes us extremely vulnerable to sudden loss of dollar value.

2) Restore our infrastructure, particularly (green) energy generation and making our energy grid and transportation system more robust.

3) Create a stash of money for Federal loans for manufacturing, especially critical manufacturing. It's obvious that the tax cuts that Trump engineered to repatriate our dollars went into stock buybacks and other financial speculation, not productive economy. We can't trust the banks - or the industries- to invest in physical production, so somebody needs to take that over.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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