Russia moves for a second invasion of Ukraine

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SIGNYM

Sunday, January 6, 2019 11:37 PM

So all of your blather about "Putin rewriting the constitution" was just that: blather.

Thanks for confirming that you're so stupid you can't even make up a decent lie.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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SECOND

Sunday, January 6, 2019 11:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So all of your blather about "Putin rewriting the constitution" was just that: blather.

Thanks for confirming that you're so stupid you can't even make up a decent lie.

Very Russian troll of you to claim what has happened didn't happen and couldn't happen. Putin is in his fourth term as President. Lawmakers in Chechnya submitted a proposal on Friday that would allow Russian President Vladimir Putin to run for office in 2024, giving him another six years at Russia's helm.

A president cannot be elected to more than two consecutive terms, according to the country's constitution. The proposed amendment would allow for a third consecutive term.

The measure, posted online and addressed to State Duma Chairman Vyacheslav Volodin, a former Putin aide, said that a "complex external political situation" makes it important to have "continuity of state power."

The proposal doesn't come as a surprise to Alina Polyakova, a Russian foreign policy expert at The Brookings Institution. "Whether he is prime minister of agriculture, he will still run the government from the shadows," she told NPR. "The surprise is not whether Putin will try to stay, the surprise will be in how the Kremlin will do it."

Putin was first elected president in 2000. After serving two terms, he switched positions with Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, who signed into law a measure extending presidential term limits from four to six years. Then Putin successfully ran for president again in 2012 and earlier this year.

More at www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/18/612450404/lawmakers-propose
-to-extend-putins-term-limits-as-president

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, January 7, 2019 1:12 AM

SLOPPY SECONDS- let's make it clear what you posted. YOU SAID

Quote:
and Putin who has repeatedly rewritten his country's Constitution- SLOPPY

Huh. He repeatedly rewrote the Constitution in the past.
When was that?
Never, perhaps?

Now, as to the future, I posted that we'll just have to see. Frankly, I don't see why that should happen. He avoided a third "consecutive" term when Medvedev became President. So for the immediate term, somebody like Shoigu could be President and then Putin could, if he wanted to, swoop in afterwards.

But yanno, Putin is 70 years old and would probably like to retire. More importantly (and unlike Trump) he has an incredible advisory committee behind him. They thrash out all of the possible consequences and come to a consensus decision. Putin is a key figure but not the only one. He could retire to an advisory position and the Russian state would still go forward.

Again, we'll just have to see what happens. Maybe their constitution will be rewritten, maybe it won't. But there's no point in making FALSE CLAIMS ABOUT THE PAST because all you do is discredit your point.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

SECOND

Monday, January 7, 2019 5:48 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But yanno, Putin is 70 years old and would probably like to retire. More importantly (and unlike Trump) he has an incredible advisory committee behind him. They thrash out all of the possible consequences and come to a consensus decision. Putin is a key figure but not the only one. He could retire to an advisory position and the Russian state would still go forward.

If Putin is 70 then he is 10 years past the retirement age, yet he did not retire at the end of his term in 2018. Putin signed into law a pension reform bill which increases the retirement age, formerly age 55 for women and 60 for men, to age 60 and 65 in 2018. That makes him 5 years past his retirement age. His time has come to retire, but he has not. As you wrote: "Putin is a key figure but not the only one. He could retire to an advisory position and the Russian state would still go forward." Then why won’t Putin retire?
www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/2018/10/04/putins-russian-retirement-age-h
ike-and-u-s-social-security/

The Church in Ukraine cannot know how much sway, and for how long, Putin has over the Church hierarchy in Moscow. Ukraine took final action today. Putin gave an unfriendly warning about violent clashes over Church property in Ukraine:

President Petro O. Poroshenko of Ukraine was with Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I during the ceremony in Istanbul on Sunday blessing the Orthodox Church of Ukraine’s break from Moscow.

The Metropolitan of Kiev and all Ukraine, representing the Holy Synod of Ukrainian bishops, will turn to the Patriarchate of Constantinople for all decisions in the future, not to Moscow.

The part of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that remains loyal to the Moscow Patriarchate declared that the Tomos for the new church of Ukraine had been signed in violation of canonical rules, the Russian news agency Tass reported.

Tass quoted Archbishop Clement as saying that Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople was veering into factionalism by supporting the schism.

The Orthodox Church celebrates Christmas on Monday, when a celebration will be held in St. Sophia Cathedral in Kiev and the Tomos will go on display to the public.

There has been concern that the schism dividing the Ukrainian and Russian churches could provoke violent clashes over church property, not least the famous monastery in central Kiev revered as the birthplace of Russian Christianity. President Vladimir V. Putin himself warned of that possibility last month.

www.nytimes.com/2019/01/06/world/europe/orthodox-church-ukraine-russia
.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Monday, April 1, 2019 12:00 PM

So, what happened to this "second invasion"? Just more paranoia on your part?

*****

The people of Ukraine are so fed up with their oligarchs that a comedian, Vladimir Zelensky, is leading in exit polls today. He will be in a run-off where he is expected to defeat both Petro Poroshenko and former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

JAYNEZTOWN

Tuesday, February 21, 2023 5:44 AM

'For Russia it is total failure': people in Kyiv react to Joe Biden's visit

SIGNYM

Tuesday, February 21, 2023 5:50 AM

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Russia moves for a second invasion of Ukraine

Thus time, for real

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It’s the end of the world as we know it — and Munich feels nervous

MUNICH — Cut through the haze of hoary proclamations emanating from the main stage of the Munich Security Conference about Western solidarity and common purpose this weekend, and one can’t help but notice more than a hint of foreboding just beneath the surface.

Even as Western leaders congratulate themselves for their generosity toward Ukraine, the country’s armed forces are running low on ammunition, equipment and even men. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who opened the conference from Kyiv on Friday, urged the free world to send more help — and fast. “We need speed,” he said.

...

The outlook in Asia is no less fraught. Taiwan remains on edge, as the country tries to guess China’s next move. Here too, the news from Munich wasn’t reassuring.

“What is happening in Europe today could happen in Asia tomorrow,” NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi did nothing to contradict that narrative. “Let me assure the audience that Taiwan is part of Chinese territory,” Wang told the conference when asked about Beijing’s designs on the self-governed island. Taiwan “has never been a country and it will never be a country in the future.”

For some attendees, the vibe in the crowded Bayerischer Hof hotel where the gathering takes place carried echoes of 1938. That year, the Bavarian capital hosted a conference that resulted in the infamous Munich Agreement, in which European powers ceded the Sudetenland to Germany in a misguided effort they believed could preserve peace.

“We all know that there is a storm brewing outside, but here inside the Bayerischer Hof all seems normal,” wrote Andrew Michta, dean of the College of International and Security Studies at the Germany-based Marshall Center. “It all seems so routine, and yet it all changes suddenly when a Ukrainian parliamentarian pointedly tells the audience we are failing to act fast enough.”

The only people smiling at this year’s security conference are the defense contractors. Arms sales are booming by all accounts.

Even Germany, which in recent years perfected the art of explaining away its failure to meet its NATO defense spending commitment, promised to reverse course. Indeed, German officials appeared to be trying to outdo one another to prove just how hawkish they’ve become.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz vowed to “permanently” meet NATO’s defense spending goal for individual members of 2 percent of GDP.
Chancellor Olaf Scholz vowed to “permanently” meet NATO’s defense spending goal for individual members | Johannes Simon/Getty Images

Germany’s new defense minister, Boris Pistorius, a Social Democrat like Scholz, called for even more, saying that “it will not be possible to fulfill the tasks that lie ahead of us with barely 2 percent.”

Keep in mind that at the beginning of last year, leading Social Democrats were still calling on the U.S. to remove all of its nuclear warheads from German soil.

In other words, if even the Germans have woken up to the perils of the world’s current geopolitical state, this could well be the moment to really start worrying.

https://www.politico.eu/article/munich-security-conference-ukraine-rus
sia-war-china-wang-yi-nato/

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THG

Tuesday, February 21, 2023 7:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, what happened to this "second invasion"? Just more paranoia on your part?

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It's not paranoia if you're proven right. And it's not only possible but probable, that always wrong comrade signym is stupid.

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JAYNEZTOWN

Saturday, February 25, 2023 12:47 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, what happened to this "second invasion"? Just more paranoia on your part?

****

It's not paranoia if you're proven right. And it's not only possible but probable, that always wrong comrade signym is stupid.

I'm going to kinda defend the position of Signym here

This thread is dated 2019
in year 2022 Russian started a Full invasion of Ukraine
Russians did take 2014

However for whatever reasons Putin did not invade while Trump was President
or maybe he saw weakness in old Biden?

THG

Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

http://radiolemberg.com/ua-articles/ua-allarticles/almost-100-000-russ
ian-troops-poised-for-offensive-against-ukraine

What with Trump sitting with his thumb up his ass seems like a good time for Vlad to make another tiny chess move.

Michael MacKay, Radio Lemberg, 02.01.2019

What is certain is that the Russian Federation is ready to launch an offensive against Ukraine and Putin will “pull the trigger” on a massive invasion if he believes other Western democracies will not come to the defence of Ukraine.

Ukraine’s 30-day state of martial law has ended but the threat of a military offensive by the Russian Federation hasn’t. By the start of 2019, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have increased troops levels near the borders and “lines of control” of Ukraine to nearly 100,000. These Russian soldiers are not for defence but poised to attack Ukraine.

The press service of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine reports that 28 Russian army battalion-scale tactical groups are now in the Russian Federation near the international border with Ukraine and also on Ukraine’s territory of Crimea which is temporarily occupied by the Russian Federation. The total number of service members of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in these areas is estimated to be around 53,000.

The Russian Federation’s invasion-occupation force in Donbas in eastern Ukraine is made up of Russian regular troops, mercenaries, contract soldiers from private military companies, and local auxiliaries. Ukrainian military intelligence estimates as many as 45,000 combatants loyal to the Russian Federation are in Donbas, with about 11,000 of that number made up of Russian regular troops. There are known to be over 1,000 military vehicles in the Russian occupied zone of Donbas, amongst which are more tanks than Germany, France and the United Kingdom combined possess.

Ukrainian Defence Minister Stepan Poltorak presented the information that the Russian Federation has deployed a powerful military force adjacent to Ukrainian international borders and Ukrainian administrative boundaries with Crimea and part of Donbas. It is Minister Poltarak’s belief that this is a sign that the Russian Federation in not giving up on its attempts to seize all of Ukraine.

Russian forces attacked three Ukrainian Navy vessels on 25 November 2018. The Russians rammed the boats as they were attempting a peaceful and normal passage from Odesa, Ukraine to Mariupol, Ukraine through the Kerch Strait. The Russian Federation committed this act of war without warning and for no reason. The three Ukrainian Navy boats were pirated by the Russians, and 24 Ukrainian Navy sailors were taken hostage.

After this open act of war, Ukraine adopted a war state legal regime in 10 oblasts (regions) adjacent to the Russian aggressors, to last for a 30-day period. Martial law allowed Ukraine to carry out a partial mobilization, test its readiness to face a wider war, and take measures to deter the anticipated Russian offensive.

The 30-day period of the war state legal framework has expired, martial law has ended, and no Russian offensive has taken place. But the danger from the Russian aggressor remains. Kremlin anti-Ukrainian hate propaganda has reached a frenzied level not seen since the 2014-15 peak of fighting in the initial Russian invasion of Ukraine. Fake news like predicting a “Ukrainian chemical attack” is spread by Kremlin information warriors and amplified by social media and inattentive Western news media. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are staging large numbers of troops and equipment suitable for offensive close to the borders of Ukraine.

53,000 Russian soldiers are near the Ukraine-Russian Federation border and in Crimea, Ukraine (Russian-occupied) ready to launch an offensive. As many as 45,000 more are in Donbas, Ukraine (Russian-occupied) along with a formidable tank army. The Russians will try to make a “provocation” out of any event to spark a large military offensive ag

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