So.... About this "Caravan"
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Quote:Signym, resentment, you say, at line jumpers, you say. I have thrown line jumpers out of lines. When they jump back in again, I have thrown them out again. They got angry. Then I scared the hell of them. This was me placing my hands on them. And I got away with it. Security threw the line jumpers out of the building, I did not get thrown out. The point is that if there are rules, there is enforcement. The rules do not enforce themselves. The rule breakers aren't enforcing them. If the GOP wants the rule breaking illegal aliens out of America, the GOP needs to pay to throw them out. But the GOP will NOT pay to enforce the rules and thrown all 11 million out. The GOP is crazy if they expect most illegal aliens to deport themselves. And all the silent resentment from millions of very legal immigrants has less effect than one man, me, placing my hands on somebody who loudly protests I have violated their rights. They shut up when I picked them off the ground like they are small children. Whether they like it or not, they moved out of the way. The GOP needs to hire a few hundred thousands big mean guys like me or Jayne and move people out of the way, into Courtrooms, then onto airplanes leaving the country. If the GOP won't do that because they are cheapskates, the GOP needs to shut up about illegal aliens. If the GOP won't pay to deport all 11 million illegal aliens then it won't happen, no matter how resentful your Trump voting relatives are about those aliens.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING,
Both my dad AND my husband's family (including hubby) waited outside of the USA for as long as it took to get an immigration visa from the USA, and they were all TRUE refugees ... fleeing WWII in my dad's case and the crushing of the Hungarian Uprising (1956) in my husband's case.
Many LEGAL immigrants resent illegal immigrants because illegals are line-jumpers. Most of the anti-illegal pro-Trump comments that I heard that were by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ... who emigrated from Japan, Taiwan, Burma, China, Hungary, Mexico, Armenia etc.
If you got your head out of our ass once in a while you would have already picked up on this concept because I've only mentioned it, like, a dozen times already.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
If Trump deports 500,000 illegal aliens per month, he will be finished before Election Day 2020. The Republican voters will gratefully return Trump to the White House. Obviously, the Democratic voters will not be grateful for all of Trump's hard work to enforce the decades old laws allowing him to deport the aliens. Maybe the Independent voters will reelect Trump as his reward for all his labor and planning to remove illegal aliens. I'm joking, I expect Trump to plan nothing, to do nothing but run his mouth.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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https://qz.com/1468555/
Walling off the border will help prevent immigrants from taking American workers’ jobs and lowering their wages, anti-immigration advocates argue. But research shows that economic losses are greater when those workers are kept out.
Researchers at Stanford University and Dartmouth College just released a detailed analysis of the return on investment of border barriers. The calculated benefits, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research: Low-skill workers earn one dollar in extra income for every 19 dollars the government spends on walling off Mexico.
Their findings are based on an analysis of the effects of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which provided funding to erect 548 miles of border barriers between 2007 and 2010 at a cost of $2.3 billion or $7 per person in the US. The fencing had the intended effect of curbing immigration, but barely improved salaries for low-skill workers. The economists calculate it reduced the number of Mexican workers in the US by 82,647; incomes for the low-skill workers on the American side inched up by 36 cents a year, not per hour.
“This paltry effect turns out to be the largest positive benefit of the Secure Fence Act, as all other groups of workers were harmed,” they write. (For example, the effects of the barriers shaved $4.35 off high-skill workers’ per capita income.)
Overall, reducing Mexican workers cost the US economy $2.5 billion — or $30,000 per missing Mexican worker. Mexico, meanwhile, saw a $1.2 billion GDP thanks to the workers it gained.
Trump's Wall is estimated to cost $21.6 billion. If you think Republicans are willing to pay for the Wall to keep out illegal aliens, you would be wrong.
www.politifact.com/california/statements/2017/apr/28/scott-peters/woul
d-trumps-border-wall-cost-same-one-and-half-us/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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uh-huh
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Did the authors go out of their way to do a Stupid Study?
Their findings are based on an analysis of the effects of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which ... blah blah blah ...
So they looked at a case where abut 550 miles of border were fenced. Say, did you know that the US/Mexican border is 3000 miles long? It seems to me that an incomplete fence would keep out SOME people, but mostly what it would do is force people to take a different route. The basis for their calculation is already flawed.
And then the way they present the results is ... shall we say "biased"?
Quote:The total number of illegal entrants thru Mexico was estimated at one-half MILLION in 2016. The reduction that they calculate is trivial compared to the total amount, so unless the fence is completed it's impossible to estimate its overall effect.
The economists calculate it reduced the number of Mexican workers in the US by 82,647
Quote:So, HOW MANY "low income" workers were affected? 30 million? Because 30 million times roughly 1/3 dollar is a $10-million per year benefit.
incomes for the low-skill workers on the American side inched up by 36 cents a year.
Quote:HOW MANY "high-skilled" workers were affected? Because 1 million times $4.35 is a $4.3 million-dollar per year cost.
the barriers shaved $4.35 off high-skill workers’ per capita income.
Also, notice that while their "cost" is a one-time payment for capital outlays, the benefit (if there is one) accumulated year-after-year, but as far as I can tell they only calculated one year's-worth of benefits for comparison.
Quote:WHO did it cost? Wages? Profits?
Overall, reducing Mexican workers cost the US economy $2.5 billion ...
They really make a number of very poor apples-to-oranges comparisons, comparing wage gains/losses to "economic" losses; one-time costs to ongoing costs; and incomplete and probably ineffective) border walls to complete border walls.
Anyway I could pick more apart, but I noticed that liberaloids don't seem to mind making direct transfer payments to "help" people suffering as a result of job loss, but seem incapable of processing the thought that maybe spending some money on protecting jobs is a better expenditure than charity. Pity would be no more if we did not MAKE men poor
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Judge bars Trump administration from denying asylum to migrants who enter illegally
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-bars-trump-administ
ration-denying-asylum-migrants-who-enter-illegally-n938271
T 
Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.
Fucking dummies
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Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Judge bars Trump administration from denying asylum to migrants who enter illegally
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-bars-trump-administ
ration-denying-asylum-migrants-who-enter-illegally-n938271
T
Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.
Fucking dummies
There you go, G. You wanted an example of you guys celebrating open borders.
To T: Put the closing italics quote on the end of your idiot Polak quote, dummy.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Signym, there is more than enough GOP created “justification” that building Trump’s Wall will pay for itself. For example, the Republicans have Paul Gosar, Representative, Arizona's 4th Congressional District.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Did the authors go out of their way to do a Stupid Study?
Their findings are based on an analysis of the effects of the Secure Fence Act of 2006, which ... blah blah blah ...
So they looked at a case where abut 550 miles of border were fenced. Say, did you know that the US/Mexican border is 3000 miles long? It seems to me that an incomplete fence would keep out SOME people, but mostly what it would do is force people to take a different route. The basis for their calculation is already flawed.
And then the way they present the results is ... shall we say "biased"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Gosar#Elections
Gosar claims the cost for illegal immigration is over $100 billion per year.
www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/fact-check/2018/06/26/paul-gosar
-how-much-do-undocumented-immigrants-cost-economy/691997002/
Signym, what do you think the chances of the GOP controlled government of Texas building the Texas section of Trump’s Wall? I think the chance is zero. Texas Governor Greg Abbott will not do it. Neither would semi-famous Governor Rick Perry or infamous Republican Governor George Bush.
The Republican controlled states don’t want to pay for Trump’s brainchild, the Wall. They want California and New York, Democrat controlled states, to pay through the Federal Government.
I’m sure almost none of the Democratic Congress will vote to pay for that Wall. They are missing out on a business opportunity! But the Republican controlled states can pay, assuming their Congressmen and Governors are being truthful about the cost of illegal aliens.
The GOP throws around these figures of illegal immigration is costing $100 billion per year. When it will only cost $23 billion for Trump’s Wall, only a fool would not pay that $23 billion. The ROI is at least 400% per year. That is the greatest business deal in history for Republicans! Yet none are jumping on the opportunity.
Signym, I know a way for Trump-voters to get their Trump Wall! If the GOP governors won't fund the Wall, and Democrats in Congress won't vote for Trump's Wall, there is always a GoFundMe campaign. Take $23 billion cost for the Wall and divide it by the number of Americans that approve of Trump, say 150 million. That is not much money Trump will need for his wall, when you look at it per Trump lover. Because the Democrats are still getting the benefit of the Wall without paying, the ROI will only be 200% for Trump-voters, rather than the 400% when the Federal government pays, but the Wall is still a good business deal, assuming the GOP is not lying about the value of keeping illegal aliens out of the country.
Only two days ago Trump tweeted:
Quote:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1064245710747590657
@realDonaldTrump
Dems must approve Border Security & Wall NOW!
11:55 AM - 18 Nov 2018
I have doubts the Democrats in Congress trust or believe Trump or his promises. Maybe the more than hundred million Trump lovers will GoFundMe the Trump Wall when the hundreds of Democrats in Congress will not. GoFundMe Success Stories: www.gofundme.com/success-stories
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Are they here yet?
T
Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.
Fucking dummies
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Quote:
Trump Says He Closed Mexican Border and Authorized Lethal Force
President Donald Trump said Thursday that he’s signed an order to close the U.S. border with Mexico, adding that he’s authorized troops to use lethal force against migrants who attempt to enter the U.S.
“If they have to,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, claiming without evidence that at least 500 criminals are among migrants trying to enter the U.S. “So I’m not going to let the military be taken advantage of. I have no choice. Do I want that to happen? Absolutely not. But you’re dealing with rough people.”
He also said that he would welcome a partial shutdown of the government over “border security.”
Trump said he had signed the order two days ago and that “I’ve already shutdown parts of the border.” He warned that the entire border may be closed if conflict with migrants escalates.
“If we find that its uncontrollable,” he said, “if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control.”
“The whole border,” he continued. “I mean the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them, not at great benefit to us.”
The White House hasn’t released the order and Trump wasn’t clear about his directive. The White House didn’t immediately respond to questions about Trump’s comments.
Before the midterm elections in which Republicans lost control of the House, Trump ordered the military to reinforce the southern border, repeatedly warning voters about a so-called “caravan” of migrants making its way from Central America to the U.S. His critics called the deployment a political stunt.
Next week, Congress returns for its post-election “lame duck” session in which a top priority will be to authorize full fiscal 2019 spending plans for several agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, the Internal Revenue Service and the National Park Service. Temporary funding for the agencies expires Dec. 7. Congress already approved full-year spending for most of the U.S. government, meaning any shutdown would be limited.
Trump has repeatedly threatened to veto spending bills if Congress continues to refuse to fund the wall, and with Democrats poised to take over the House in January, the president could force the issue in the lame-duck session.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-22/trump-says-he-close
d-mexican-border-and-authorized-lethal-force?srnd=premium
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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I've lost pace with this thread.
The caravans are fronted by Pablo Sanfronteras? Fundraisers for the Fraudulent Caravan at throughout CA.
Even with a website, although intrepid MSM completely missed it.
And Homeland Security has already identified 500 of these caravaners, who are known Violent Criminal Thugs.
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