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THG
Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:09 PM

America sig. I live in America.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:19 PM

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America sig. I live in America.


So do I.

So, can you be a little more specific? At least tell us what state you live in?

I think you should not only enjoy the diversity of hosting a large population of illegal aliens, you should also bear some of the cost of what you advocate for others (especially those of us in border states).



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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:50 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Healthcare for the middle class has risen around 350% for insurance since the ACA was enacted.



Yeah, that's a BS number unless you provide a citation/source. I won't contest that it's far - very far - from perfect though.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
But hey, maybe you guys can fix it in the next 2 years now.



What a miniscule way to look at it. No, "you guys" - I assume you mean Democrats - can't fix it (whatever that means - make it better?) without the GOP and our A-hole president. That's how we got a great idea but watered down, marginally better ACA in the first place! It'll stay broken unless both sides get together.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I seriously wish you all the luck in the world. Let me know how it goes.



You won't need me to let you know - you'll find out firsthand if you need any health care.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:53 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SHINY, also ...

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Yeah, I agree. Fuck them, why should we care if Putin interferes in another country's elections.
*insert sound of screeching tires here*

SHINY, everybody knew that Yanukovich was close to Russia. It's not like he was some deep dark secret; everyone knew who they were voting for when they voted.

And do you really think that us fomenting violence and picking the Ukrainians' next government for them was a good move ... for them? I mean, look where they are now: Did we really do them any big favors by "interfering" in their internal affairs?

IMHO there are almost no justifiable reasons to foment revolution in another nation. I don't care how hinky you think their elections were or whether you think their choice was bad: With few exceptions, violent "intervention" is the worst option




See SGG? It's ok - we all knew Trump was in Putin's pocket. Godd*mn, Siggy - that's bold. At least you're coming clean.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 9:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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America sig. I live in America.


So do I.

So, can you be a little more specific? At least tell us what state you live in?

I think you should not only enjoy the diversity of hosting a large population of illegal aliens, you should also bear some of the cost of what you advocate for others (especially those of us in border states).



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Texas, Signym. Trump effectively defines America as a white ethnic nation that is being overrun by aliens — people who don’t look like us, don’t share our values, who threaten our safety and take our jobs.

Trump’s blood-and-soil nationalism overturns the historical ideal of American nationalism, which was pluralistic — that we are united by creed, not blood; that our common culture is defined by a shared American dream — pioneers in wagons settling the West, immigrants crossing an ocean in search of opportunity, African-Americans rising from slavery toward equality.

In Texas, we aren't afraid of aliens because the urban Texans, at least, can compete. The small town and rural Texans? Not so much. They already know they can't compete with city folk and the fat, dumb, rural Texans are truly frightened because as sure as hell they couldn't compete with somebody who can walk a thousand miles from Central America. Would fatso Texans lose some weight? No way, instead, it is easier to vote Republican.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, can you be a little more specific? At least tell us what state you live in?



In all seriousness... a good list of the numbers by state. I'm sure they have changed since this graphic but have to be % close.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/interactives/unauthorized-immigrants/

I am a sometimes state's rights advocate, and in this case it seems like it is pretty lopsided in terms of the impact of illegal immigration. So a definite case where each state should be able to set their own laws within some kind of Federal guidelines. Having said that it does make me wonder why I haven't heard Texas or California make greater demands of the Federal government (at least that I've heard).

I'm also unsure of the Sanctuary City designation. I don't fully understand the implications either way and I sure as hell don't trust any politician or many on this board to try and explain it. But I am curious why so many cities believe it to be in their best interest.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:25 PM

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So a definite case where each state should be able to set their own laws within some kind of Federal guidelines.
*insert sound of error-buzzer here*

CONSTITUTIONALLY, GSTRING, that particular authority belongs with the Federal government.

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The Constitution never uses the word immigration, so how is it that the rules for immigrants, and quotas for countries, are set by the federal government and not by the state governments? After all, as the 10th Amendment states, are the powers not delegated to the United States held by the states, or the people?

The Supreme Court has ruled that the Congressional power to regulate naturalization, from Article 1, Section 8, includes the power to regulate immigration (see, for example, Hampton v. Mow Sun Wong, 426 U.S. 88 [1976]). It would not make sense to allow Congress to pass laws to determine how an immigrant becomes a naturalized resident if the Congress cannot determine how, or even if, that immigrant can come into the country in the first place. Just because the Constitution lacks the word immigration does not mean that it lacks the concept of immigration.


https://usconstitution.net/constnot.html#immigration
https://usconstitution.net/constnot.html



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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:42 PM

Apparently a few days ago my next door neighbor got taken away, reportedly by ICE.

In this Sanctuary City ICE has been rounding up a bunch, ticking off the Sanctuary City Police Chief. Not sure how they are herding them. Gobs more to get, still.

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:48 PM

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See SGG? It's ok - we all knew Trump was in Putin's pocket.- GSTRING
Why do you conflate America with Ukraine? Do you think they're the same?

Now, personally, I think it's up to Ukraine to define and defend its interests, just like its up to us to define and defend our own interests*. I don't think its our bizness to stick our nose into every other nations' bizness. Do you?

*Our interests: Which BTW you still haven't figured out. Maybe it's because you STILL haven't figured out where our borders are? Maybe in Europe somewhere???


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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 11:52 PM

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Trump effectively defines America as a white ethnic nation that is being overrun by aliens
I think that once again, SECONDRATE, you're arguing with the voices in your head. You turn EVERYTHING into a racial argument - even if it isn't- making you the biggest racist on the board. Please purge yourself of this defensive racism. Stop feeling so targeted, nobody here is "after you" (unless you aren't a citizen, in which case ICE should find you). I long ago realized that I wasn't communicating with Southern Californians on this board, please stop treating us all like Texas Republicans.


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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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