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So.... About this "Caravan"
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Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:44 AM
Quote:Which ones? Who funds them?
ISLA, Mexico – Thousands of migrants set out early on Sunday from this city of pineapple farms in the Gulf Coast state of Veracruz, but signs of division and frustration are emerging as the large group tries to get to the U.S.-Mexico border in the face of opposition from President Donald Trump and a dangerous trek ahead.
Debate over how far to travel each day – something decided at a nightly assembly – is among the issues that divide caravan migrants who are still frustrated on being misled over the weekend by promises of buses being provided to take them to Mexico City. The buses never materialized.
On Sunday, many migrants hesitated upon hitting the main highway, which transits an area rife with organized crime activities.
“It’s difficult because of the fear you feel, the uneasiness about it,” said Brian Delarta, 30, a Honduran heading north with his wife and two children, ages 6 and 3.
Like many, he tried to flag down a ride rather than walk a narrow, two-lane high with no shoulder into an area known as Tierra Blanca.
“We’re walking with fear,” he said. “That’s why we’re sticking together, staying united.”
Caravans have become attractive for migrants attempting to transit Mexico safely. But disunity surfaced on Saturday as the caravan splintered with more than half the group showing haste to reach the U.S. border, even if it meant going alone and abandoning the watchful eye of human rights observers and international organizations.
Quote:Offers of state government help, which never materialized
The presence of such organizations is viewed as preventing crimes such as kidnap, rape and extortion from being committed against the large group of migrants. It’s also dissuaded police and immigration officials from cracking down on them.
More than 5,000 migrants are reportedly moving through southern Mexico via caravan or in smaller groups, according to Mexico’s Interior Ministry estimates. The ministry said Saturday that 2,793 migrants have requested asylum in Mexico and about 500 have asked for help returning to their home countries.
More than half the participants Saturday pushed on toward the cities of Córdoba and Puebla – and even Mexico City – rather than rest and regroup in Isla, which is in the state of Veracruz. Participants impatient at the slow pace of progress continued traveling northward, are staying with the whatever vehicle they were traveling on to its final destination, according to migrants interviewed in Isla.
Tension boiled over on Friday night and Saturday morning in connection with broken promises from the Veracruz state government
Quote:So in theory, children may show up at the border in the company of adults who have kidnapped them?
to bus the migrants to Mexico City, leaving them to walk through dangerous towns and rural areas. In a series of tweets on Sunday, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said it “was deeply dismayed due to the lack of protection” for migrants caused by the Veracruz state government offering Friday to bus the caravan to Mexico City – only to renege after the caravan participants had woken early and lined up for transportation that never arrived.
“This cancellation is having the result of fragmenting the caravan, whose unity was it main form of protection. A large number of people in the caravan are not located. … People are desperately climbing into private pickups. It’s not known if they belong to organized crime.”
The UN’s Twitter thread described Veracruz as “a state in which … it is reported in a regular manner that migrants are kidnapped and disappeared, often ending up in human trafficking.”
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On Friday evening, governor of Veracruz offered 160 buses to take the caravan to Mexico City, saying his state had many migrants already “begging for money in the streets” and calling it “a serious social problem and we don’t want it to increase.”
Gov. Miguel Ángel Yunes Linares reneged later, saying Mexico City was suffering wNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Tuesday, November 6, 2018 2:03 PM
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:DOOD, THEY HAD ELECTIONS. That's why Yanukovich was President.
It was always very telling that you had so much outrage and bitterness towards Ukrainians who wanted to govern themselves...
DOOD Are you really going to suggest that Yanukovych wasn't Putin's puppet? Where was the first place he skittered to when he was run out of town? He ran home and curled up in Putin's lap.
"Elections?!?" That's funny. Almost as funny as the little green men.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And when their elected government decided that it wanted to be BOTH in the EU AND in the EEU, that was when the USA/EU decided that indeed, the Ukrainians' elected government wasn't good enough for our power structure, and they decided to destabilize it and put in puppets of their own.
I'm sure we pushed, hard even, but that didn't make up the people in the square. "On 18 February, some 20,000 Euromaidan protesters advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of restoring the Constitution of Ukraine to its 2004 form, which had been repealed by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine shortly after Yanukovych was elected president in 2010." I don't care how effective Nuland may have been, that's The People speaking loudly and clearly.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Did you recall how Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, got a cushy job with the largest Ukrainian natgas company right after the overthrow of the Yanukovich government?
No?
Huh? So???? That's your trump card for we created the revolution?? That's laughable even for you. You don't over throw a government without support from the people. Just look where we are today if you need proof (or can be honest, ever).
And believe me - I will ignore any follow up on this topic. That is one very dead parrot.
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Tuesday, November 6, 2018 3:17 PM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Deadline is today.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sure thing. I'll get on my Batphone and give him a call.
Let you know what he says as soon as I've got the 411.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Did they arrive at the Border yet?
Did the busses break down?
Did the busses return for another load?
What deadline?
22 Million illegals didn't happen overnight.
The big joke on everybody is that while people were paying attention to 4,000 Hondurans for the last few weeks, 30,000 other illegals crossed over.
Womp Womp
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:24 PM
Quote:One story I read said 160 busses.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Deadline is today.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sure thing. I'll get on my Batphone and give him a call.
Let you know what he says as soon as I've got the 411.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Did they arrive at the Border yet?
Did the busses break down?
Did the busses return for another load?
What deadline?
22 Million illegals didn't happen overnight.
The big joke on everybody is that while people were paying attention to 4,000 Hondurans for the last few weeks, 30,000 other illegals crossed over.
Womp Womp
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, November 6, 2018 4:34 PM
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:One story I read said 160 busses.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Deadline is today.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sure thing. I'll get on my Batphone and give him a call.
Let you know what he says as soon as I've got the 411.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Did they arrive at the Border yet?
Did the busses break down?
Did the busses return for another load?
What deadline?
22 Million illegals didn't happen overnight.
The big joke on everybody is that while people were paying attention to 4,000 Hondurans for the last few weeks, 30,000 other illegals crossed over.
Womp Womp
Do Right, Be Right. :)
I think you missed my point.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Tuesday, November 6, 2018 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The big joke on everybody LISTENING TO TRUMP is that while THEY were paying attention to 4,000 Hondurans for the last few weeks, 30,000 other illegals crossed over.
Fixed that for you.
People not listening to Trump knew it was a sh*t topic from the start.
HEY JSF, you fav network says they're in Mexico City:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-seek-shelter-in-mexico-
city-as-caravan-election-underway-in-us
I thought Soros was getting them to the US border by today? What happened?!? Was that complete BullSh*t? < / trick question >
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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The big joke on everybody LISTENING TO TRUMP is that while THEY were paying attention to 4,000 Hondurans for the last few weeks, 30,000 other illegals crossed over.
Fixed that for you.
People not listening to Trump knew it was a sh*t topic from the start.
HEY JSF, you fav network says they're in Mexico City:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/caravan-migrants-seek-shelter-in-mexico-
city-as-caravan-election-underway-in-us
I thought Soros was getting them to the US border by today? What happened?!? Was that complete BullSh*t? < / trick question >
You didn't fix anything.
There's been at least 10,000 illegals crossing over into the country every week on average for decades to get where we're at now.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 1:30 AM
Quote:DOOD, THEY HAD ELECTIONS. That's why Yanukovich was President. - SIGNY
It was always very telling that you had so much outrage and bitterness towards Ukrainians who wanted to govern themselves...
Quote:WHO GIVES A FUCK? That's who a majority voted for. What ... you think "we" have the right to overturn a democratic vote because WE don't like the result?? Wow, not so much a fan of people "governing themselves", are you?
DOOD Are you really going to suggest that Yanukovych wasn't Putin's puppet?- GSTRTING
Quote:That's SOME OF the people. If you want to know what "The People" really think, you HOLD A VOTE. Making violence the driver of your politics only ensures that THE MOST VIOLENT GET THEIR WAY.
And when their elected government decided that it wanted to be BOTH in the EU AND in the EEU, that was when the USA/EU decided that indeed, the Ukrainians' elected government wasn't good enough for our power structure, and they decided to destabilize it and put in puppets of their own. - SIGNY
I'm sure we pushed, hard even, but that didn't make up the people in the square. "On 18 February, some 20,000 Euromaidan protesters advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of restoring the Constitution of Ukraine to its 2004 form, which had been repealed by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine shortly after Yanukovych was elected president in 2010." I don't care how effective Nuland may have been, that's The People speaking loudly and clearly.- GSTRING
Is THAT the process that you want? Political violence?
Quote:No, it isn't, and to imply that I said so is just dishonest, so fuck off. We created the revolution because we wanted to take Sevastopol away from the Russians. I said so early, and often, and to say otherwise is just lying ... something you seem to do regularly.
Did you recall how Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, got a cushy job with the largest Ukrainian natgas company right after the overthrow of the Yanukovich government?
No? - SIGNY
Huh? So???? That's your trump card for [WHY] we created the revolution??- GSTRING
Quote:Of course you will, because if you post any more you'll just reveal yourself an even bigger authoritarian a-hole than before.
And believe me - I will ignore any follow up on this topic. That is one very dead parrot.- GSTRING
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 10:41 AM
One thing I noticed GEEBERS is very consistent about - he never lets mere facts keep him from his agenda.
tic tac
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Wednesday, November 7, 2018 12:10 PM
Yeah, I agree. Fuck them, why should we care if Putin interferes in another country's elections. Majority rules, right!?
SGG
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:DOOD, THEY HAD ELECTIONS. That's why Yanukovich was President. - SIGNY
It was always very telling that you had so much outrage and bitterness towards Ukrainians who wanted to govern themselves...Quote:WHO GIVES A FUCK? That's who a majority voted for. What ... you think "we" have the right to overturn a democratic vote because WE don't like the result?? Wow, not so much a fan of people "governing themselves", are you?
DOOD Are you really going to suggest that Yanukovych wasn't Putin's puppet?- GSTRTINGQuote:That's SOME OF the people. If you want to know what "The People" really think, you HOLD A VOTE. Making violence the driver of your politics only ensures that THE MOST VIOLENT GET THEIR WAY.
And when their elected government decided that it wanted to be BOTH in the EU AND in the EEU, that was when the USA/EU decided that indeed, the Ukrainians' elected government wasn't good enough for our power structure, and they decided to destabilize it and put in puppets of their own. - SIGNY
I'm sure we pushed, hard even, but that didn't make up the people in the square. "On 18 February, some 20,000 Euromaidan protesters advanced on Ukraine's parliament in support of restoring the Constitution of Ukraine to its 2004 form, which had been repealed by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine shortly after Yanukovych was elected president in 2010." I don't care how effective Nuland may have been, that's The People speaking loudly and clearly.- GSTRING
Is THAT the process that you want? Political violence?
Quote:No, it isn't, and to imply that I said so is just dishonest, so fuck off. We created the revolution because we wanted to take Sevastopol away from the Russians. I said so early, and often, and to say otherwise is just lying ... something you seem to do regularly.
Did you recall how Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, got a cushy job with the largest Ukrainian natgas company right after the overthrow of the Yanukovich government?
No? - SIGNY
Huh? So???? That's your trump card for [WHY] we created the revolution??- GSTRINGQuote:Of course you will, because if you post any more you'll just reveal yourself an even bigger authoritarian a-hole than before.
And believe me - I will ignore any follow up on this topic. That is one very dead parrot.- GSTRING
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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