So.... About this "Caravan"

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SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:20 PM

So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, November 2, 2018 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You addressed it weakly...
I addressed it first, before you even got to it. I'll give you a hint: It's BEFORE your "leprosy" post, on page 2.

Was that the one with the faulty logic?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BUT FIRST! WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

I already addressed that. I'll give you a hint: it was before this post.

I'll repost for you though: I'm not for it. See how easy?

Now your turn: why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms? You think they don't know stoking fear helps their cause?

SIGNYM

Friday, November 2, 2018 12:43 AM

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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?

Of course it helps them in the mid-terms. At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension

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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The most effect would be on that very large group that isn't registered with either Dems or Repubs. They're called "independents" but because here in CA we have an "Independent" party we call them "no party preference". Generally speaking, that middle group leans right rather than left, but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

See? I think I've pro-actively addressed just about every possible partisan PR aspect that you can think of. And, before you get to accusing me of saying that the caravan is being funded by Soros, let me point out that I posted no such thing. The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

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I'll repost for you though: I'm not for it. See how easy?

Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Friday, November 2, 2018 1:39 AM

Bravo!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?
Of course it helps them in the mid-terms.

et voila! *clap clap clap*

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension.

My bad - I know it must seem like I have all day to review your posts and find all the stuff you reference. Sadly, I do not.
In terms of ^, I think you are mistaken if you think live fire ammo is getting anywhere near those immigrants for the reasons you stated. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and lies are his ammo.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The Dems are more fired up about Health Care, at least in recent polls. All I see them fired up about regarding the caravan is all the lies that Trump and Fox and others are trying to spread about it. Yanno, the blatant fear mongering. And g@ddamnit, with Trump's barely literate following it's working!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

Trump obviously thinks with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Reps.
+ I don't see the Dems working that angle like Trump - they are reacting to Trump mostly or talking guns and the Synagogue shooting.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march and of course Fox said it was Soros cash (or maybe Hillary/Obama), when later reports found out it wasn't.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?

I honestly don't know and don't have many good guesses. Not copping out, just I have zero hands on knowledge of the exact problems or the history of the failed "solutions." In other words, I know what you know. Having said that, cutting off help to the countries these people are coming from is idiotic - that will just add to the flight numbers.

And can we close the chapter on parent/child seperation idea? Doesn't this caravan put that fustercluck to bed forever?

I did see a reporter speak about the history of these caravans and found it very enlightening - I'll look for it.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, November 2, 2018 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?
Of course it helps them in the mid-terms. At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension
Quote:
Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The most effect would be on that very large group that isn't registered with either Dems or Repubs. They're called "independents" but because here in CA we have an "Independent" party we call them "no party preference". Generally speaking, that middle group leans right rather than left, but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

See? I think I've pro-actively addressed just about every possible partisan PR aspect that you can think of. And, before you get to accusing me of saying that the caravan is being funded by Soros, let me point out that I posted no such thing. The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

So who is paying for all the busses, to get them to the US Border in time?

SECOND

Friday, November 2, 2018 2:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

I am perfectly okay with Trump enforcing the laws against illegal immigration. Perfectly fine. He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million. Instead, he is concentrating his mind on Guatemalans walking in Mexico. (I would love to see Trump deport as few as 7,000 of those millions of illegal aliens in the week before the election, about the same number in the Caravan. All the laws permit Trump to do it.)

Trump is concentrating on pleasing or pandering to a bunch of fat, ignorant weirdos: I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The fat old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. (Oh, the Caravan is bringing diseases, too, according to this sample of Republican voters.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Friday, November 2, 2018 3:03 AM

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He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million.

Perhaps you didn't read my previous post about the 60+% increase in deportations in 2018?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SIGNYM

Friday, November 2, 2018 3:19 AM

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Bravo!- GSTRING

why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?- GSTRING

Of course it helps them in the mid-terms.- SIGNY

et voila! *clap clap clap*- GSTRING

I don't need your disingenuous congratulations which imply that you caused me to "see the light", especially since I posted about it BEFORE you did.

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At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension.- SIGNY

My bad - I know it must seem like I have all day to review your posts and find all the stuff you reference. Sadly, I do not.- GSTRING

Well, your lack of knowledge sure didn't prevent you from getting all accusatory, did it?

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In terms of ^, I think you are mistaken if you think live fire ammo is getting anywhere near those immigrants for the reasons you stated. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and lies are his ammo.

It depends.

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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.- SIGNY

The Dems are more fired up about Health Care, at least in recent polls. All I see them fired up about regarding the caravan is all the lies that Trump and Fox and others are trying to spread about it. Yanno, the blatant fear mongering. And g@ddamnit, with Trump's barely literate following it's working! GSTRING

Is it having an effect on "no party preference"?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.- SIGNY

There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march

It was money.

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and of course Fox said it was Soros cash (or maybe Hillary/Obama), when later reports found out it wasn't.

If they found out that it "wasn't" Soros/Hillary/Obama cash, then surely they must have some idea where it came from. So, where did it come from?

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Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?- SIGNY

I honestly don't know and don't have many good guesses.- GSTRING

OK, how about this?

Harden the border.
Instead of taking illegal migrants into custody (where we become responsible for their board and care) just deport them back into Mexico.
For those who come thru official border crossings, take them into custody. Give parents the option of sending their kids elsewhere or keeping their children with them (therefore, they are not being "detained" because they have the option of leaving.)

Sweep the nation for illegal aliens. Deport any that you find, and if you find them at a workplace, fine their employer. Heavily. Once you've done that sweep, do it again, and then again, and keep on doing it until you stop finding so many illegal aliens.

Give those with American children the option of taking their children with them back to wherever they came from, or sending them elsewhere.

Revert the definition of "refugee" back to the original definition, which mean POLITICAL refugee. Most people who ask for asylum aren't fleeing because of political violence but because their nations are clusterfucks.

Or, you can do the 5-point program that I suggested earlier.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for peopl

SECOND

Friday, November 2, 2018 3:37 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million.
Perhaps you didn't read my previous post about the 60+% increase in deportations in 2018?

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

The Washington Post reported on Monday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 37,734 undocumented “noncriminal” immigrants in the 2017 fiscal year, more than double the amount in 2016.

Signym, get a clue that 38,000 for a year is a much smaller number than 22,000,000. 38,000 is a routine number. Trump needs to raise that number to 22,000,000. He has the law with him. His lack of a plan is stopping him. It is as if he does NOT want to do the job Signym elected him to do. Instead, Trump wants to arrest 7,000 Hondurans walking in Mexico. He does not have the law with him to do that.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/arrests-of-noncriminal-undocume
nted-immigrants-skyrocket.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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