So.... About this "Caravan"

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SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 8:16 PM

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Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship ...

SECOND- Just a few post ago, your other red line was "deporting illegal aliens" and just a few posts before that, your other OTHER red line was "building the wall". How many red lines do you have??

You're just "flinging handfuls of shit against the wall to see what sticks", and it's one of the reasons why I don't take you seriously: It's obvious that even YOU don't take your posts seriously. At least, not seriously enough to think about them and catch these glaring inconsistencies.

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There's another option: SIGGY is a complete fraud and knows everything we know but chooses to back him all the same. The only question is: why?- GSTRING

I just demonstrated the reason why I don't take SECOND at all seriously: He just throw shit at the wall to see what sticks. The fraud seems to be him. And you, for supporting his fraudulent posts.

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Why? Racial resentment, cultural anxiety, white identity, anti-immigrant*, and anti-Muslim sentiment.- SECOND

* How can I possible be "anti-immigrant"? I married one. I even pointed it out a few posts ago!

So once again, SECOND is imputing motives to me that I don't have. I politely call it arguing with the voices in your head but rhetorically-speaking it's called "strawmanning" - arguing against an argument that your opponent isn't making. It's both invalid and dishonest. But neither of you are interested in honest dialogue, are you? Your main goal seems to be "winning by any means possible" even if it means bullying, libel, or total dishonesty.

If you want to hear my main argument about illegal aliens, and if you're prepared to respond on-point, I can repeat it, again. But since neither one of you has ever responded on-point before, I doubt that you would this time either.

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Why don't we start by you telling me: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 1, 2018 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why don't we start by you telling me: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

Second's for it because it's good for business.

The rest of them are for it because it's part of their programming.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship ...

SECOND- Just a few post ago, your other red line was "deporting illegal aliens" and just a few posts before that, your other OTHER red line was "building the wall". How many red lines do you have??

You're just "flinging handfuls of shit against the wall to see what sticks", and it's one of the reasons why I don't take you seriously: It's obvious that even YOU don't take your posts seriously. At least, not seriously enough to think about them and catch these glaring inconsistencies.

Signym, I don't have redlines. Republicans have redlines. But the silly thing about Republicans is that they cannot understand that Trump isn't protecting them from what they fear. I've been listing some of the ways Trump could actually "protect" them, but he ain't doing anything useful. He just runs his mouth and stirs up their fears. I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. (Oh, the Caravan is bringing diseases, too, according to this sample of Republican voters.) Republicans are half crazy and completely ignorant. The ladies crapped in their disposable diapers when I started talking to them in Spanish. The guys got mad. I felt awful for how easily they are to upset.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:47 PM

SECOND, you posted this ...

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Signym, I don't have redlines

right after posting this ...

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Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship ...

and this

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A nation needs a wall or else it will cease to be a nation.

and this

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But what is the explanation for Trump not deporting them, since illegal aliens are his bête noire? One possibility: he isn't ever going to do it.

If those aren't "red lines", I don't know what is. It IS possible to do meaningful things against illegal immigration without doing those SPECIFIC things that you've drawn as your "red lines".

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Republicans have redlines. But the silly thing about Republicans is that they cannot understand that Trump isn't protecting them from what they fear. I've been listing some of the ways Trump could actually "protect" them, but he ain't doing anything useful...

No, you're wrong. He's increased the ICE budget, ICE has hired more staff, and 2018 deportations of of "noncriminal" illegals are up 60% over the same time last year because ICE is inspecting MORE EMPLOYERS.

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Among those expelled from the U.S. interior in fiscal 2017, there was a 174 percent increase from the previous year

https://www.apnews.com/8969468fb8b2485a87ff1ff448397ba0?utm_source=Twi
tter&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP

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He justs runs his mouth and stirs up their fears.

I just showed you that you were wrong, and even YOU know that you're wrong because if Trump was so ineffective, you wouldn't be so scared, defensive, and hostile.

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I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. Republicans are half crazy and completely ignorant. The ladies crapped in their disposable diapers when I started talking to them in Spanish. The guys got mad. I felt awful for how easily they are to upset.

I can't help what Texas Republicans think. That's not what I think. If you want to argue with them, argue with THEM over there. Don't bring your arguments with them over here.

So, WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I am not worried about criminal activity from illegal aliens because I am not a coward like Trump voters.

-Sent from my iPhone in the comfort of my plantation in the middle of my lily white upper class 1% violent-crime-free neighborhood

Do Right, Be Right. :)

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:51 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: How can I possible be "anti-immigrant"? I married one. I even pointed it out a few posts ago!

Yes, I rolled my eyes the first time I read that. Your dad is also an immigrant, so... neither precludes you from loathing these or other immigrants. It does make you a hypocrite though.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But neither of you are interested in honest dialogue, are you? Your main goal seems to be "winning by any means possible" even if it means bullying, libel, or total dishonesty.

That's a weak lie. Asking you to answer a question is none of those.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to hear my main argument about illegal aliens, and if you're prepared to respond on-point, I can repeat it, again. But since neither one of you has ever responded on-point before, I doubt that you would this time either.

Shoot - that's also wrong. That's why I asked the follow up questions, which you still haven't answered - third time's a charm?

"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America/MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? His base just like you are eating this up. I checked out both Fux channels last night and that's all they're talking about. I still see the synagogue massacre on other channels. More telling, it's all that Trump wants to talk about so you know what he and his handlers believe it the most important. Hey - they agree with you! Caravan! Meanwhile, Dem voters are more interested in health care - that's their top concern - so the idea that a secret Dem Dark Force is paying for this doesn't work.

Sorry, you and Fux need to do better.

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:54 PM

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How can I possible be "anti-immigrant"? I married one. I even pointed it out a few posts ago! - SIGNY

Yes, I rolled my eyes the first time I read that. Your dad is also an immigrant, so... neither precludes you from loathing these or other immigrants. It does make you a hypocrite though.- GSTRING

Wow, are you stupid or what? There is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants, son.

SO, WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? - GSTRING

I already addressed that and see no reason to answer it AGAIN. Please see one of my previous posts, only THIS time, do a better job of reading!

And since I already answered your question, how about you answer mine:

WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? - GSTRING
I already addressed that. Please see one of my previous posts, only THIS time, do a better job of reading!

How do you expect to have any of these "discussions" you keep whining about when all you do is run from them? You addressed it weakly which I challenged and now you just want to turn tail.
All you do is type type type on here, couldn't hurt to type a little more, right?

Meanwhile, some light reading for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2018/10/31/george-soros-
and-migrant-caravan-how-lie-multiplied-online/1824633002/

This is the life of a lie.

Three weeks ago, a caravan of Hondurans began walking nearly 2,000 miles to the United States. Their ranks grew as they inched north and, along with them, falsehoods grew, too. But one stands out: a conspiracy theory that liberal billionaire George Soros, a Jewish immigrant, is paying the migrants to make the journey – or even orchestrating it.

Members of Congress and the president’s son both repeated it. Conservative celebrities, too.

It also may have resonated in darker places. Cesar Sayoc, the man charged with mailing pipe bombs to Soros and other prominent critics of President Donald Trump, dwelled at length online about conspiracy theories involving the Hungarian-American philanthropist. Robert Bowers, charged with killing 11 people worshiping in a Pittsburgh synagogue on Saturday, used his social media accounts to post extensively about the caravan, including circulating an image of refugees in Guatemala purportedly climbing into a truck with a Star of David on the side.

But it began with a handful of posts in the caravan’s early days."

There's so much more in that article that I have seen reported on elsewhere and in other countries... BUT FIRST! Let's hear how you think this caravan is not being used by Trump to get votes for the GOP this midterm.

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:08 PM

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You addressed it weakly...

I addressed it first, before you even got to it. I'll give you a hint: It's BEFORE your "leprosy" post, on page 2.

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There's so much more in that article that I have seen reported on elsewhere and in other countries... BUT FIRST! Let's hear how you think this caravan is not being used by Trump to get votes for the GOP this midterm.

BUT FIRST!

WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

SECOND

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:19 PM

Trump Goes There: It’s Willie Horton 2.0 For the Final Week of the Campaign

The latest video ad from the GOP is all about Luis Bracamontes, who was in the country illegally when he killed two cops, followed by images of mobs allegedly tearing down flimsy fences in order to storm into the United States. One comment:

The racist underpinnings of the ad are obvious, so there’s hardly any need to belabor them. This is Willie Horton 2.0 except worse, because it’s an official production of the Republican Party, not some outside Super PAC. But notice that the point of the ad isn’t to take down any particular Democrat, but to ruin the entire Democratic brand. The ad may be loathsome, but it’s smart.

Obama did crack down on undocumented immigrants. It was an effort to show that Democrats could control the border and make it OK for Republicans to pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill. But the Republican base quickly revolted and prevented anything from being passed.

More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/11/trump-goes-there-its-willie-hor
ton-2-0-for-the-final-week-of-the-campaign/

Sacramento Cop Killer Luis Bracamontes Featured In New Trump Ad

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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