So.... About this "Caravan"

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 1, 2018 9:58 AM

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That's right. As Fox News report on Tuesday showed, immigrants traveling with the caravan are being loaded on to chartered buses and transported to the next stop on the trail to the US, having refused Mexico's offer of asylum, shelter and jobs... - Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins revealed that multiple professional buses have lined up to board the migrants, as footage from the report showed.

Fox Nooz also said they had small pox - not exactly a source that can be trusted.

Why would any Democrat/Soros/Liberal Boogey person want to hurry these immigrants to the border before the election? How does that serve Dem politics?

Please 'splain why all these Caravan Border Breachers are loading onto all those busses. Are you saying they are taking a break from Caravan to go play Bingo? Going to Julio Eglasias show? Get their hair done?
Or are you saying the Live News footage was all Fake, like Men on the Moon?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Why would any Democrat/Soros/Liberal Boogey person want to hurry these immigrants to the border before the election? How does that serve Dem politics?
That was already addressed. Please re-read previous post.

Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The most effect would be on that very large group that isn't registered with either Dems or Repubs. They're called "independents" but because here in CA we have an "Independent" party we call them "no party preference". Generally speaking, that middle group leans right rather than left, but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

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Just a couple of comments: GSTRING, you're all spittle-y about Dems not being for "open borders". For the sake or argument, let me grant that Dems are, in theory, for border control. However, if they're against ENFORCING border control and immigration laws ... they don't want to "apprehend" illegal immigrants, they don't want to differentiate between illegal immigrants and citizens for government benefits, they don't believe in deporting illegal immigrants, and they want to "abolish ICE" ... then, in effect, they ARE for "open borders".

It's a little like SECOND's blast of "brilliance" on using our tax laws to apprehend employers who illegally categorize employees as "contractors". Or using our laws - which demand valid Social Security numbers - for each employee. Yes, our laws could be improved, but the biggest problem with our immigration laws is lack of enforcement.

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I think it's interesting that the same issue that is driving Merkel out of power and causing the EU to fray ... and possibly to even break up ... is the same issue that's driving a wedge between Democrats and Republicans, and that is IMMIGRATION. A recent study has "upped" the estimate of illegal immigrants in the USA from 12 to 22 million. That is the level which is causing significant social and economic disruption in European nations, there's no reason to think that it isn't a problem here too. Like the EU, some states here are far more affected than others.

Do you find it curious that second seems to have arrived at plans which will have no apparent effect on Vicious Violent Criminal Illegal Aliens who have no interest in gainful employment, other than to increase Violent Crimes?
It would only focus on those developing income through work, labor, cash sales, even if the Employer is not abiding Law.
Without the rampant Criminal activity from Illegal Aliens, the issue might fall below the Radar of most voters.

SECOND

Thursday, November 1, 2018 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Do you find it curious that second seems to have arrived at plans which will have no apparent effect on Vicious Violent Criminal Illegal Aliens who have no interest in gainful employment, other than to increase Violent Crimes?
Without the rampant Criminal activity from Illegal Aliens, the issue might fall below the Radar of most voters.

JewelStaiteFan, I am not worried about criminal activity from illegal aliens because I am not a coward like Trump voters. But if you want to worry, then do most of your worrying about criminals who are American citizens. Illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than native-born.
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/19/two-charts-demolish-the
-notion-that-immigrants-here-illegally-commit-more-crime/?utm_term=.f33c6d13de46

www.factcheck.org/2018/06/is-illegal-immigration-linked-to-more-or-les
s-crime/
www.npr.org/2018/05/02/607652253/studies-say-illegal-immigration-does-
not-increase-violent-crime

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:00 AM

SECOND, you started out having a reasonable conversation, but then you veered into outright lying and then into arguing - once again - with the voices in your head. When you feel like responding to WHAT I POST let me know.

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Signym, I think you and I could come up with some theories to explain why Obama did not deport those 11 to 22 million illegal aliens that are bothering you. Maybe Obama doesn't like you. But what is the explanation for Trump not deporting them, since illegal aliens are his bête noire? One possibility: he isn't ever going to do it. It is something he says only to get Signym's vote.

Trump himself didn’t even bring up the subject of birthright citizenship. It turns out that Jonathan Swan of Axios was interviewing Trump and decided to bring up the subject out of nowhere. Why? God knows. But after Trump blathered about it for a bit without actually committing to anything, Swan asked when it would happen. “It’s in the process,” Trump said. “It’ll happen.”

Everyone on the planet knows that this is Trumpspeak for “No one is working on it and I haven’t thought about it for a long time.”

But it didn’t matter. Nor did it matter that everyone knows Trump can’t overturn birthright citizenship with an executive order anyway. Signym jumps on the idea as exactly what is needed to MAGA.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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1KIKI

Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:29 PM

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The roots of the problem: The breakdown of the employer-employee relationship that creates loopholes for abuse of workers and taxpayers.

Contractors who pay immigrants under the table to deliberately skirt immigration and employment laws are engaged in “misclassification” or “payroll fraud.” It involves employers pretending their workers are “independent subcontractors” when in reality they are employees who should be compensated accordingly and given benefits such as accident insurance and a retirement plan.

It’s been going on for decades and is the way most undocumented workers are paid. It’s cheating plain and simple. This misclassification not only allows those bosses to avoid immigration laws but also gives them a competitive advantage because their overall costs are at least 25 percent lower than firms following the law.

It's business.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:30 PM

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Originally posted by second:
I am not worried about criminal activity from illegal aliens because I am not a coward like Trump voters.

-Sent from my iPhone in the comfort of my plantation in the middle of my lily white upper class 1% violent-crime-free neighborhood

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:21 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you started out having a reasonable conversation, but then you veered into outright lying and then into arguing - once again - with the voices in your head. When you feel like responding to WHAT I POST let me know.
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Signym, I think you and I could come up with some theories to explain why Obama did not deport those 11 to 22 million illegal aliens that are bothering you. Maybe Obama doesn't like you. But what is the explanation for Trump not deporting them, since illegal aliens are his bête noire? One possibility: he isn't ever going to do it. It is something he says only to get Signym's vote.

Trump himself didn’t even bring up the subject of birthright citizenship. It turns out that Jonathan Swan of Axios was interviewing Trump and decided to bring up the subject out of nowhere. Why? God knows. But after Trump blathered about it for a bit without actually committing to anything, Swan asked when it would happen. “It’s in the process,” Trump said. “It’ll happen.”

Everyone on the planet knows that this is Trumpspeak for “No one is working on it and I haven’t thought about it for a long time.”

But it didn’t matter. Nor did it matter that everyone knows Trump can’t overturn birthright citizenship with an executive order anyway. Signym jumps on the idea as exactly what is needed to MAGA.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship, then he is a complete pandering fraud. If he does not deport millions of illegal aliens, he is a complete fraud. If he does not shutdown the government to get funding for his Texas/Mexico Wall, he is a complete fraud. Trump has to stop talking and start doing these three things or else he was always pandering to your fears of illegal aliens. Once the election is over, Trump has no more excuses. He must do these things. I expect he will do none of them, but he will keep talking. (And certainly blaming the Democrats for why he is doing nothing. And he will be bragging about himself. No power in the Verse can stop him.)

I saw this morning a study of what is going on inside Trump voters' brains:

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A range of studies from political scientists, economists, and pollsters have found that it was racial resentment and cultural anxiety — not economic anxiety — on the part of white voters that got Donald Trump into the Oval Office. In his new book, “Identity Crisis: The 2016 Presidential Campaign and The Battle for the Meaning of America,” John Sides marshals extensive evidence to show that it was white identity, anti-immigrant, and anti-Muslim sentiment that best predicted support for Donald Trump, while economic anxiety played a much smaller role.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/01/the-midterms-are-days-away-what-wi
ll-drive-trump-voters-race-or-class/

There it is: racial resentment, cultural anxiety, white identity, anti-immigrant, and anti-Muslim sentiment. That is what makes a Trump voter. Trump is the way he is as President because his voters are the way they are. He's got them figured out even though they don't have him figured out.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:06 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You don't read well:

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But as it turns out, the organizations that have been aiding the caravan since it first formed in Honduras nearly three weeks ago have already accounted for this. And to help ensure that images of border patrol agents arresting families and separating small children from their parents are flashing across cable news in the days and hours before the polls open, these groups are employing a new tactic: Busing.

And you don't lie well:

BTW, so sorry to keep reminding you but basic forum courtesy says you need cites for those "organizations." The fact that you only provide cites about half the time lately is telling. And the half of the time you do they're shite like Fux - also telling.

Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America/MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base?

Better still, how much better for Putin to watch the unfolding, hoped for civil war that those images might trigger?

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by second:Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship, then he is a complete pandering fraud. If he does not deport millions of illegal aliens, he is a complete fraud. If he does not shutdown the government to get funding for his Texas/Mexico Wall, he is a complete fraud. Trump has to stop talking and start doing these three things or else he was always pandering to your fears of illegal aliens.

There's another option: SIGGY is a complete fraud and knows everything we know but chooses to back him all the same. The only question is: why?

SECOND

Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:50 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by second:Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship, then he is a complete pandering fraud. If he does not deport millions of illegal aliens, he is a complete fraud. If he does not shutdown the government to get funding for his Texas/Mexico Wall, he is a complete fraud. Trump has to stop talking and start doing these three things or else he was always pandering to your fears of illegal aliens.

There's another option: SIGGY is a complete fraud and knows everything we know but chooses to back him all the same. The only question is: why?

Why? Racial resentment, cultural anxiety, white identity, anti-immigrant, and anti-Muslim sentiment. That is what makes a Trump voter. Lying about their motives is very typical of Trump voters. I've seen stone-cold racists claim they aren't to people who don't know them. It's kind of funny when I remind Lonnie what racist things he has done in the past that make a lie out of the stories he tells to strangers. It is like Lonnie forgot what he did last week in order to convincingly tell a beautiful and false story about what a good man he is today. (Does it need saying that the true Signym might be a Lonnie passing themselves off as a better person on fff.net then they are in real life? )

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/01/the-midterms-are-days-away-what-wi
ll-drive-trump-voters-race-or-class/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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