So.... About this "Caravan"
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Quote:Ain't that the truth.
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I just noticed that when Trolls make posts like right before 6ix's, it's like dropping a turd in the thread.
So I might refer to these posts of theirs as Troll Turds.
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Quote:Trump posted today @realDonaldTrump:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I just noticed that when Trolls make posts like right before 6ix's, it's like dropping a turd in the thread.
So I might refer to these posts of theirs as Troll Turds.
The Caravans are made up of some very tough fighters and people. Fought back hard and viciously against Mexico at Northern Border before breaking through. Mexican soldiers hurt, were unable, or unwilling to stop Caravan. Should stop them before they reach our Border, but won’t!
5:38 AM - 31 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057612657665171457
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump tweeted:
Our military is being mobilized at the Southern Border. Many more troops coming. We will NOT let these Caravans, which are also made up of some very bad thugs and gang members, into the U.S. Our Border is sacred, must come in legally. TURN AROUND!
5:45 AM - 31 Oct 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1057614564639019009
Our military is not Donald Trump’s toy to prance around for political gain. Trump is using refugees as a political punching bag. The Caravan is over 1,000 miles away from the border. They’re going to mow your lawns, pick your crops, mop your floors, vacuum your office and pay taxes. Be afraid, be very afraid.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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ID and tax can fix undocumented worker problem, by Stan Marek, Oct. 30, 2018
News of the caravan of migrants coming up from Central America toward the United States has once again put the subject of undocumented immigration front and center just as voters head to the polls across Texas and the nation.
President Donald Trump’s hardline stance may drive his base to the polls, but even those folks want a long-term solution — not just rhetoric.
For many years, I’ve fought to bring attention to one of the roots of the problem: The breakdown of the employer-employee relationship that creates loopholes for abuse of workers and taxpayers.
Contractors who pay immigrants under the table to deliberately skirt immigration and employment laws are engaged in “misclassification” or “payroll fraud.” It involves employers pretending their workers are “independent subcontractors” when in reality they are employees who should be compensated accordingly and given benefits such as accident insurance and a retirement plan.
It’s been going on for decades and is the way most undocumented workers are paid. It’s cheating plain and simple. This misclassification not only allows those bosses to avoid immigration laws but also gives them a competitive advantage because their overall costs are at least 25 percent lower than firms following the law.
More at www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Here-s-a-solution-Jus
t-ID-and-tax-undocumented-13350016.php
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SHITHITTHEFAN, you posted this ...
Quote:right after you posted this ...
The rest of us know what is and isn't real.
Quote:... which I find a real hoot, considering that you keep posting this defamatory statement over and over. To recap: In order to be defamatory, a statement must first be UNTRUE. And you, son, keep posting this statement over and over which I can prove without a shadow of a doubt in court is 100% untrue.
Siggy doesn't live on this continent.
And you think you know what's real and what isn't?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Yanno, I've been VERY busy lately. But when things settle down and I have more time, I'll be HAPPY to get back to you and your LIBEL, and hopefully I'll be able to take you to court and maybe shake a few shekels out of your pocket in the process. And THEN you'll be schooled in what's real and what isn't and you will have learned a valuable lesson. And won't THAT be fun (for me)?
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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According to FOX News, caravaners are being BUSSED to the USA border in order to be there before the election
Quote:That alone should be enough to disqualify anyone from asking for asylum in the USA. since they turned down asylum in Mexico
Traveling at a sluggish pace of 10 miles per day, the migrant caravan probably wouldn't arrive at the nearest US border crossing at McAllen, Texas until February, according to one observer, who debunked claims widely circulated by the media that the caravan would arrive before the Nov. 6 midterm election.
But as it turns out, the organizations that have been aiding the caravan since it first formed in Honduras nearly three weeks ago have already accounted for this. And to help ensure that images of border patrol agents arresting families and separating small children from their parents are flashing across cable news in the days and hours before the polls open, these groups are employing a new tactic: Busing.
That's right. As Fox News report on Tuesday showed, migrants traveling with the caravan are being loaded on to chartered buses and transported to the next stop on the trail to the US, having refused Mexico's offer of asylum, shelter and jobs
Quote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/fox-news-exposes-organized-b
should they opt to stay in the country. Fox News reporter Griff Jenkins revealed that multiple professional buses have lined up to board the migrants, as footage from the report showed.
As more than 5,000 troops mass on the border and a second caravan crosses into Mexico from Guatemala, Jenkins exposed more than 11 buses carrying some of the migrants organized in the state of Oaxaca. While the buses can't carry every member of the caravan - that would require more than 80 buses, by Fox's count, they can speed members closer to their next stop. Meanwhile, two more caravans in Guatemala and El Salvador.
"Something new that’s developing here," Jenkins said as he wandered the bus loading zone. "We’ve seen the 5,000 strong caravan walking to the border but now they’re waiting for a ride to the border. This is the first time I have seen an organized bus operation from the state of Oaxaca actually getting volunteer buses to put people … on them and take them to their next location."
The buses are just the latest example of the support the migrants have received from local townspeople and organizations from within Mexico, as the country's police and military have largely stood aside despite President Trump's demands that the Mexican government do something to slow or stop the caravan.
That’s very significant now because these towns continue to help them. When we began this way back a week or so – Mexican police were trying to dissuade them from going across the Guatemala-Mexico border. At least some of the towns are assisting them to make their way.
It's unclear who's paying for the buses or when more would be coming (but Jenkins believes more are on their way). However, the motivation behind the campaign should be obvious to anyone who has been paying attention since the first caravan formed. Getting the migrants to the border, where Trump's beefed-up border presence is waiting, is clearly a key component of the Democrats' election strategy (and has taken on increased importance since the Democrats attempts to make the vote about health care have largely foundered). Their logic probably looks something like this. Step 1. Get the migrants to the border in the days before the vote. Step 2. Replay the outrage blitz that followed Trump's order to separate migrant children from their families earlier this year. Step 3. Convince moderates that they would be committing an inhumane act by supporting Republicans. Step 4. (hopefully) victory.
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Trump Plans To End Birthright Citizenship For Children Of Illegal Immigrants: Axios
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/trump-plans-end-birthright-c
itizenship-children-illegal-immigrants-axios
Quote:So, the USA government was "mis-interpreting" the 14th Amendment for about a hundred years???
In a report based on an interview with Axios set to air on its new show, "Axios on HBO," the organization's reporter said such an order would be "the most dramatic move yet" in Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration, targeting so-called "anchor babies." It will almost certainly set off another stand-off with the courts, as Trump's authority to impose such a change via executive order is up for debate.
Trump said in an interview that he has run the idea of ending birthright citizenship by his counsel and plans to proceed with the highly controversial move, which certainly will face legal challenges.
"It was always told to me that you needed a constitutional amendment. Guess what? You don't," Trump said, declaring he can do it by executive order.
When told says that's very much in dispute, Trump replied: "You can definitely do it with an Act of Congress. But now they're saying I can do it just with an executive order."
"We're the only country in the world where a person comes in and has a baby, and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States ... with all of those benefits," Trump continued. "It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end."
"It's in the process. It'll happen ... with an executive order."
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Trump said he was surprised that Axios had caught wind of his plan.
"I didn't think anybody knew that but me. I thought I was the only one. "
Axios later clarified that it had been working to confirm the story for weeks before the interview.
While any attempt to remove birthright citizenship would undoubtedly set off a constitutional challenge...
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
...Legal scholars are divided on the subject.
John Eastman, a constitutional scholar and director of Chapman University's Center for Constitutional Jurisprudence, told "Axios on HBO" that the Constitution has been misapplied over the past 40 or so years. He says the line "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" originally referred to people with full, political allegiance to the U.S. - green card holders and citizens.
Adding weight to Trump's argument, birthright citizenship wasn't applied to the children of immigrants until the 1960s...
Quote:Well, time for a ruling, I guess! Altho I suspect that if Trump attempts this thru an Executive Order, any ruling would probably be about the procedure and not about this issue.
Between 1980 and 2006, the number of births to unauthorized immigrants - which opponents of birthright citizenship call "anchor babies" - skyrocketed to a peak of 370,000, according to a 2016 study by Pew Research. It then declined slightly during and following the Great Recession.
The Supreme Court has already ruled that children born to immigrants who are legal permanent residents have citizenship. But those who claim the 14th Amendment should not apply to everyone point to the fact that there has been no ruling on a case specifically involving undocumented immigrants or those with temporary legal status.
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Axios' four-part documentary news series will debut on HBO this Sunday at 6:30 pm.
Watch a clip from Axios' interview with Trump below:
GO FOR IT, MR TRUMP!
The worst that can happen is that your EO gets stalled in court.
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Lindsey Graham To Introduce Bill Ending Birthright Citizenship
With one week left before the Nov. 6 midterm vote, President Trump and his allies in Congress have managed to establish immigration policy as the de facto dominant issue with the revelation that Trump is planning an executive order to eliminate birthright citizenship in the US. But in the event that Trump's order is challenged and overturned by the federal courts (which is extremely possible despite the confirmations of Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh), South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a former adversary turned staunch Congressional ally, said Tuesday that he would introduce legislation to eliminate what he described as an "absurd" policy.
First, Graham - who is rumored to be on Trump's shortlist of candidates for a cabinet role after a post-election cleanout - applauded Trump for his decision (which he made public in an Axios interview published Tuesday morning)...
...then followed this up by declaring that he has always supported eliminating birthright citizenship, noting that the US is "one of only two countries in the world" that establishes citizenship by birth (though the accurate number is closer to 30). He argued that the policy is a magnet for illegal immigration and is "out of the mainstream" for the developed world and "needs to come to an end."
To help eliminate birthright, Graham said he would introduce legislation "along the same lines" as the executive order.
While some have speculated that eliminating birthright would require amending the constitution, Trump has insisted that this isn't the case, and given the conservative majority on the Supreme Court, many legal experts believe an act of Congress would more than suffice (though the court could also choose to uphold an executive order and toss out any lower court ruling as well).
As Trump deploys thousands of additional troops to the border to brace for the arrival of two caravans of migrants (who almost certainly won't arrive before the vote, but instead will most likely reach the US months later) it's becoming increasingly clear that immigration has become the dominant issue of this election cycle - which bodes well for Republicans, since Trump's hardline immigration policies have been credited for helping distinguish his campaign from the other Republicans seeking the nomination. Meanwhile, Democrats have sought to make health care the defining issue of the election cycle, to mixed results (of course, their efforts were complicated by preliminary data showing that ObamaCare premiums are set to fall next year for the first time since the law came into effect in 2014).
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-30/lindsey-graham-introduce-bil
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This is just another reason to vote Republican, IMHO.
Ending birthright citizenship is part of MY plan to reform immigration
1) Make English the official language of the USA
2) End birthright citizenship
3) Stop fucking around in other nations' politics and economies
4) Reduce the number of visa/immigration categories, end chained migration, eliminate the H2B visas, and straighten out the citizenship process.
5) Require all long-term (20+ years) illegal immigrants to apply for USA citizenship, give them five years to make the grade, and kick them out if they fail. Kick everyone else out
And before anyone says that I "hate immigrants "... I married one.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:All your ideas require 3/4 of the States to ratify the Constitutional changes or 60 Senators to override any filibuster. Why not this change that Trump could do today, without any votes: Deport 11 millions illegal aliens?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ending birthright citizenship is part of MY plan to reform immigration
1) Make English the official language of the USA
2) End birthright citizenship
3) Stop fucking around in other nations' politics and economies
4) Reduce the number of visa/immigration categories, end chained migration, eliminate the H2B visas, and straighten out the citizenship process.
5) Require all long-term (20+ years) illegal immigrants to apply for USA citizenship, give them five years to make the grade, and kick them out if they fail. Kick everyone else out
And before anyone says that I "hate immigrants "... I married one.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
The bigger question is: Why hasn't Trump already done it? Finished it? Completed it? He hasn't even started planning how he will remove 11 million illegal aliens. I'm thinking he is simply pandering to Signym. Trump knows he won't have to attempt it because he already has Signym's vote for 2020.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Bullshit, and you know it.
All your ideas require 3/4 of the States ...- SECOND
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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