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In 1970, noted communist Richard Nixon started talking up affordable child care. A year later, Congress passed by a wide, bipartisan margin a child-care bill. When it got to Nixon’s desk, though, adviser Pat Buchanan persuaded him to block it to protect his right flank. In his veto, Nixon said he could not “commit the vast moral authority of the National Government to the side of communal approaches to child rearing over against the family-centered approach.” It turned out to be a rehearsal dinner for the marriage of antigovernment and self-described “pro-family” activists, who would spend the ’80s rejecting an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, telling women that feminism was to blame for all ills and stacking the courts with abortion opponents.

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The only way to making the argument that childcare is a "womans issue" is by recognizing that WOMEN are affected by pregnancy and early childcare whereas men are not. (Unless you can show me that men can get pregnant, in which case I cede the argument.)

That is the one area where women are INEVITABLY unequal. So the question isn't whether men and women are equal in this aspect, but how we want to deal with the inequality. And that becomes the issue of whether or not THIS society values children and child-raising, or relegates it to underpaid workers who can't find a "better" profession.

Maybe the answer is to elevate "women's work" as mothers (and also "father's work" as fathers), and not constantly denigrate it.


So this needs discussion, not fighting over.



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In 1970, noted communist Richard Nixon started talking up affordable child care. A year later, Congress passed by a wide, bipartisan margin a child-care bill. When it got to Nixon’s desk, though, adviser Pat Buchanan persuaded him to block it to protect his right flank. In his veto, Nixon said he could not “commit the vast moral authority of the National Government to the side of communal approaches to child rearing over against the family-centered approach.” It turned out to be a rehearsal dinner for the marriage of antigovernment and self-described “pro-family” activists, who would spend the ’80s rejecting an Equal Rights Amendment to the Constitution, telling women that feminism was to blame for all ills and stacking the courts with abortion opponents.

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The only way to making the argument that childcare is a "womans issue" is by recognizing that WOMEN are affected by pregnancy and early childcare whereas men are not. (Unless you can show me that men can get pregnant, in which case I cede the argument.)

That is the one area where women are INEVITABLY unequal. So the question isn't whether men and women are equal in this aspect, but how we want to deal with the inequality. And that becomes the issue of whether or not THIS society values children and child-raising, or relegates it to underpaid workers who can't find a "better" profession.

Maybe the answer is to elevate "women's work" as mothers (and also "father's work" as fathers), and not constantly denigrate it.


So this needs discussion, not fighting over.

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Agreed. Men and Women ARE different, biologically speaking, though it pains the Ultralibs to admit it.

My step-mom was awesome. She raised my step-bro and half-bro and they're both insanely successful now compared to my brothers and I from the divorced marriage. Yet, at the same time, she suffered a lot of bullshit about making that choice and not working from a lot of people and was always defensive about her choice. I always made a point of letting her know how much I respected her for her decision and I think when her kids ended up being so successful it was a bit of vindication on her part.

Fast forward to now with the kids out of the house, she makes more money than I do by quite a bit. Doing what? Babysitting, cleaning houses, house sitting and caring for an elderly couple.


EDITED TO ADD: Yanno who denegrated her the most for her choice? My mom, who turned to being a career woman after the divorce. She absolutely hated her job and most of the people she worked for. We couldn't even sit through a family dinner without having to hear her bitch from start to finish. She was a great project manager and reveled in the fact that her subordinates called her "Bitch on Wheels", but was always pissed that she couldn't get any higher in the company. Why would anybody give her a promotion at that point? She kept the peons in line, worked 40 hours overtime a week from home for free and she was absolutely miserable to be around.

She always had bad things to say about my step-mom. Whether it was calling her lazy or saying things like "It must be nice not to have to work all day".

Hey Jealousy.



Man I'm glad my mom and step dad retired very early and started their own business. She's an entirely different person once taken out of that cutthroat environment and she's like the woman I knew as a child before everything changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Agreed. Men and Women ARE different, biologically speaking, though it pains the Ultralibs to admit it.

My step-mom was awesome. She raised my step-bro and half-bro and they're both insanely successful now compared to my brothers and I from the divorced marriage. Yet, at the same time, she suffered a lot of bullshit about making that choice and not working from a lot of people and was always defensive about her choice. I always made a point of letting her know how much I respected her for her decision and I think when her kids ended up being so successful it was a bit of vindication on her part.

Fast forward to now with the kids out of the house, she makes more money than I do by quite a bit. Doing what? Babysitting, cleaning houses, house sitting and caring for an elderly couple.


EDITED TO ADD: Yanno who denegrated her the most for her choice? My mom, who turned to being a career woman after the divorce. She absolutely hated her job and most of the people she worked for. We couldn't even sit through a family dinner without having to hear her bitch from start to finish. She was a great project manager and reveled in the fact that her subordinates called her "Bitch on Wheels", but was always pissed that she couldn't get any higher in the company. Why would anybody give her a promotion at that point? She kept the peons in line, worked 40 hours overtime a week from home for free and she was absolutely miserable to be around.

She always had bad things to say about my step-mom. Whether it was calling her lazy or saying things like "It must be nice not to have to work all day".

Hey Jealousy.



Man I'm glad my mom and step dad retired very early and started their own business. She's an entirely different person once taken out of that cutthroat environment and she's like the woman I knew as a child before everything changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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The Nurture Assumption: Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do
www.amazon.com/Nurture-Assumption-Children-Turn-They-ebook/dp/B005JSSA
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The bit torrent hash to this book for 6ix: 34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6
http://kat.rip/torrent/34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6.html

The book begins: Parental nurturing is not what determines how a child turns out. Children are not socialized by their parents. People might have accepted with a yawn the idea that parents’ influence on their children had been somewhat overestimated, but what I was proposing was far more heretical: that parents have no lasting influence on their children’s personalities or on the way they behave outside the home. The proposition doesn’t mean that parents are unimportant—they have other roles to play in their children’s lives. But the subtleties were lost when the media compressed my argument into three little words: “Do Parents Matter?” The book ends with "As for what’s wrong with you: don’t blame it on your parents." That's the sardonic humor the reviewers refer to.

Since you'll probably never find time to read the book, I'll summarize the last half of the last chapter:

The other point about the way the mind works (as Pinker and his fellow evolutionary psychologists have explained) is that it’s modular. The mind is composed of a number of specialized departments, each collecting its own data and issuing its own reports or orders. Just as the body is organized into physical organs that each do one specific job—the lungs oxygenate the blood, the heart pumps it around the body—so the mind is organized into mental organs or modules or departments. One department lets you see the world in three dimensions, another enables you to pick up the glass. Some of the mind’s departments issue reports that are accessible to consciousness; others do not.

The mental department that keeps track of relationships is accessible to the conscious mind. The department that adapts your behavior to that of your group is no less important b

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From Jared Kushner, Donald Trump’s son-in-law, on the murder of Jamel Khashoggi:

We’re getting facts in from multiple places. Once those facts come in, the secretary of state will work with our national security team to help us determine what we want to believe.

I know, I know: just a slip of the tongue. Sure it is.
https://twitter.com/rickgladstone/status/1054494526038073344

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Targets of Trump's words become targets of bombs.

In the home stretch of the fall campaign, President Donald Trump has called Democrats "evil" and argued they are "too dangerous to govern."

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The same Republicans who railed about unbalanced budgets during the Obama administration kept their mouths shut when the latest report revealed the federal deficit has swelled to $779 billion under President Trump, 17 percent higher than the $666 billion deficit in fiscal 2017. The deficit was $585 billion in 2016. The Republicans who blasted Obama haven’t gotten excited about Trump’s unbalanced budgets except for when they use it as an excuse to call for cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Agreed. Men and Women ARE different, biologically speaking, though it pains the Ultralibs to admit it.

My step-mom was awesome. She raised my step-bro and half-bro and they're both insanely successful now compared to my brothers and I from the divorced marriage. Yet, at the same time, she suffered a lot of bullshit about making that choice and not working from a lot of people and was always defensive about her choice. I always made a point of letting her know how much I respected her for her decision and I think when her kids ended up being so successful it was a bit of vindication on her part.

Fast forward to now with the kids out of the house, she makes more money than I do by quite a bit. Doing what? Babysitting, cleaning houses, house sitting and caring for an elderly couple.


EDITED TO ADD: Yanno who denegrated her the most for her choice? My mom, who turned to being a career woman after the divorce. She absolutely hated her job and most of the people she worked for. We couldn't even sit through a family dinner without having to hear her bitch from start to finish. She was a great project manager and reveled in the fact that her subordinates called her "Bitch on Wheels", but was always pissed that she couldn't get any higher in the company. Why would anybody give her a promotion at that point? She kept the peons in line, worked 40 hours overtime a week from home for free and she was absolutely miserable to be around.

She always had bad things to say about my step-mom. Whether it was calling her lazy or saying things like "It must be nice not to have to work all day".

Hey Jealousy.



Man I'm glad my mom and step dad retired very early and started their own business. She's an entirely different person once taken out of that cutthroat environment and she's like the woman I knew as a child before everything changed.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

---

The Nurture Assumption: Why Children Turn Out the Way They Do
www.amazon.com/Nurture-Assumption-Children-Turn-They-ebook/dp/B005JSSA
H8/
The bit torrent hash to this book for 6ix: 34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6
http://kat.rip/torrent/34a8254e9d1db27f7e0198e438e859465b260ab6.html

The book begins: Parental nurturing is not what determines how a child turns out. Children are not socialized by their parents. People might have accepted with a yawn the idea that parents’ influence on their children had been somewhat overestimated, but what I was proposing was far more heretical: that parents have no lasting influence on their children’s personalities or on the way they behave outside the home. The proposition doesn’t mean that parents are unimportant—they have other roles to play in their children’s lives. But the subtleties were lost when the media compressed my argument into three little words: “Do Parents Matter?” The book ends with "As for what’s wrong with you: don’t blame it on your parents." That's the sardonic humor the reviewers refer to.

Since you'll probably never find time to read the book, I'll summarize the last half of the last chapter:

The other point about the way the mind works (as Pinker and his fellow evolutionary psychologists have explained) is that it’s modular. The mind is composed of a number of specialized departments, each collecting its own data and issuing its own reports or orders. Just as the body is organized into physical organs that each do one specific job—the lungs oxygenate the blood, the heart pumps it around the body—so the mind is organized into mental organs or modules or departments. One department lets you see the world in three dimensions, another enables you to pick up the glass. Some of the mind’s departments issue reports that are accessible to consciousness; others do not.

The mental department that keeps track of relationships is accessible to the conscious mind. The department that adapts your behavior to t

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