Voter fraud - American election vastly corrupted
POSTED BY: Ghoulman
UPDATED: Monday, January 27, 2025 00:47
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Originally posted by Hardware:
I'd prefer paper and pencils deposited in a locked ballot box. Keep it simple and stupid.
But then we couldn't have instant results!! What would the networks do on election night? Just kidding.
IMHO, the method of voting isn't the issue, as any system can be gamed. People were stuffing ballot boxes and voting the dead long before computers were invented. It's the people who control the process you have to look out for. If you can get an election commission/board/agency that most people think is above corruption, it won't matter how folks vote; paper, potsherds, pebbles or pixels.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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"Its' not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes"
- Joseph Stalin (aka Karl Rove)
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Originally posted by Geezer:
But then we couldn't have instant results!! What would the networks do on election night? Just kidding.
IMHO, the method of voting isn't the issue, as any system can be gamed. People were stuffing ballot boxes and voting the dead long before computers were invented. It's the people who control the process you have to look out for. If you can get an election commission/board/agency that most people think is above corruption, it won't matter how folks vote; paper, potsherds, pebbles or pixels.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
True, living near Philly where the unofficial voting motto is "Vote early and often", yes, paper ballots can be rigged. What concerns me currently is that with the level of automation and lack of security in the few systems in use. Diebold voting machines can be hacked with a 10 line Visual Basic script. A script kiddie can control the election!
Automation minimizes the number of people in collusion to control an election. Stuffing ballot boxes takes a wider degree of corruption and the more people you have involved, the more likely there is going to be a leak.
The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.
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Originally posted by Bojesphob:Quote:
Originally posted by Ghoulman:
^^^ ? It's not some old ladies responsibility to make sure American voter laws aren't corrupted. Really. Sheesh, you are ignorant. Shut up!
So I'm ignorant because I expect her to be responsible and make sure that her vote counts?? How is that ignorant? It's called taking responsibility for the things that one can control. If you cannot place your vote, then it IS your responsibility to bring it up when you are voting, NOT AFTERWARDS. Plain and simple. Basically, because she (and others) did not make a scene when it happened, it allowed other people to vote on that faulty (tampered with) machine, and essentially allowed it to misinterpret their votes. If it was a paper ballot and that ballot was "lost", then of course it would not be her fault that she couldn't do anything about it. This is like if it only said "Bush" on a paper ballot and you couldn't even vote for Kerry on it. If you know you cannot vote for a person that you know you should be able to vote for, there is an expectation that you bring it up immediately to the officials, then if they don't do anything, you call the voting hotline, or your local representative. Voting is a right AND a responsibility, not JUST a right. We were not given the right to vote, we had to fight for it. We have that right because people stood up and fought against oppression to get it. They didn't just say "Oh well, it doesn't count, so I guess I'll just complain about it" and get it. It wasn't the laws that caused the problems with the election, it was people. The law didn't force her to not say anything when that machine didn't work, she decided it wasn't worthwhile to do so, or she was afraid to. Every person here in the US, if they are eligible, have the right to vote and the responsibility to make sure that they did everything they could to make sure it counted, old or no, minority or no, blind or no, deaf or no, low-IQ or no, and if they cannot themselves, find someone who can for them. The people who are willing to bend election laws and corrupt an otherwise good election system count on these people, because they know that they will not cause a fuss when they actually try to vote. Who is easier to fool, a person who knows their rights and will stand up for them, or someone who will let anything happen and just bitch about it afterwards? If there was corruption in this election (which I am not convinced of, even though I didn't vote for Bush nor Kerry, I voted for someone else) then they need to stand trial for it and be thrown in prison. But, that still doesn't take that lady off of the hook for not doing anything about it.
If it is ignorant to expect people to do their part, then I guess I am. I'd rather be ignorant and know 100% that I did everything to make sure my vote counted that I could than to be pissing and moaning because I was too lazy to do anything about it when I did vote. I guess it's too much to expect people to actually know their rights and stand up for them. And people wonder why we have so many problems in this country......
Yikes. You really need to justify your opinion eh. All I ment was that blaming a little old lady for voter fraud, which you did in your post previous to this one, is ignorant of the reality, law, and responsibilities of the election officials.
Next, you prolly will post something about how I interpreted your post incorrectly.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"Its' not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes"
- Joseph Stalin (aka Karl Rove)
lol!!! Funniest post so far... even funnier than Geezers posts.
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And you'd be right. I don't like to be misunderstood. I had no intention of making it sound like it was her fault that there was voter fraud. I was just trying to make the point that it was her fault for not pressing the issue. She could have saved a lot of people from having their votes not count if she would have done something. I agree that it would be wrong to blame her for the problems that happened. The officials/designers of the machine should be held accountable for the votes not being taken correctly on a large scale, and to prevent voter fraud, but that lady is responsible for her own vote not counting. I'm not trying to be difficult on this.... I have issues sometimes trying to explain things when I type, and can be misunderstood easily (this wasn't the first time)......
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Originally posted by SignyM:
"Its' not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes"
- Joseph Stalin (aka Karl Rove)
I expected better of you, SignyM. Everyone knows that the correct allusion is Karl Rove as Joseph Goebbels to Bush's Hitler. No wonder you lost the election.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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because she (and others) did not make a scene when it happened
Actually, she did. After she tried over a dozen times to vote for Kerry, she called the election officials in. (so much for secret ballot) They also tried to vote for Kerry on that machine. It took about 7 of their tries before it went in. They noted in their records that they could not get that machine to accept a Kerry vote until a number of tries later. This was officially verified and documented EARLY ON ELECTION DAY. But it wasn't enough (apparently) for that machine to be taken out of service. Nor did anyone think to question how the other machines might be functioning.
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Oh, but Rove is so much more than a Goebbels. While Cheney runs the country, Rove runs the political machine.
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"No wonder you lost the election." - Geezer
Tsk! Now WHERE did I put that thing? rummmages tabletop It MUST be here somewhere! Last I saw it, it was November 2... in a black box I think. Yeah that was it... in a black box. looks through desk drawers, finds a black box Now see, I KNOW I didn't lose that thing! If it was anyhwere, it would be here opens black box... long, shocked silence followed by stunned comment It's been... stolen...
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