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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:42 PM
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Originally posted by SECOND:
Jesus Christ, 6ixStringJack, what is wrong with you? Do you ever stop and wonder why you are not rich, when you are obviously, at least to me, smarter, stronger, harder working than the typical 1 Percenter? Probably one of the following: a) You didn't click the link. b) You didn't read it. c) You didn't try hard enough to understand what you were reading. Repeat that a few thousand times, or some equivalent example that doesn't involve the internet, and you can waste your entire life.
I'm not sure what your game is here, friend.
That's got to be the nicest thing I've ever seen you say about anybody... in the RWED or otherwise.
I'm sure you'll forgive me if I don't trust the motivations behind your flattery.
Assuming I take everything you just said at face value, what do you propose here? That reading this particular anti-Trump story is going to change my life and begin my climb into the 1%?
I've mentioned before that I don't want to be rich. I don't want power or responsibility. I want to be free to do as I please and have the freedom to say "I Won't" when somebody tries to take that away from me. Sure, it would be nice to have just a little bit more to have some fun money, but I'm working on that.
Nobody can say for sure where they'd be right now if things were different 2 years ago, but I can't imagine that I wouldn't be somewhere along the same path that I am right now if Hillary had won and/or I voted for her. It was either turn my life around or die. I chose the former. I can't imagine that if Hillary had won that I would have chosen the latter on her account.
Trump hasn't done anything to improve my lot in life in the last 2 years. Save for about a hundred extra bucks I'll get on my tax returns next year, I've never once claimed that he has. I know that I'm living life far below my potential, but I'm 1000% better than where I was 2 years ago and I really don't want or need much more than I have right now.
The financial shenanigans that all of our Corrupt Politicians pull on both sides of the aisle are so far removed from my life that they might as well be on the moon. None of them are ever going to ask for my opinion about it, and I'm in no position to do anything about it either.
So again, I'll ask... what exactly is your game here?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 12:07 AM
Quote:6ix, you made another one of those arguments that it does not matter who you vote for. Stop doing that, please. I vote, too, and I mostly lose. The Federal government was never intended to be responsive to your and my needs. You are smart enough to know that. Trump is probably not the only person who scammed you, 6ixStringJack. You cannot hit back at Trump, but there are people closer to you that you can get to do what you want. Be more alert and thereby avoid misfortunes in the future. (This is starting to sound like fortune cookie philosophy.) 6ix, you can do it, while I know a lot of people who cannot, for various sad reasons.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So again, I'll ask... what exactly is your game here?
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Show fff.net that you see through Trump's games. He will continue for years to deny his fortune was built on tax cheating. Congress might not care. Voters might not care. But New York state might care enough to make a tax case against Trump. Since we are talking about a $ billion, Trump will spend $millions on lawyers to delay justice for many years. Don't expect this to go to trial anytime soon.
Quote:https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/409623-trump-blasts-nyt-ta
The practices allowed Trump and his siblings to inherit more than $1 billion from his father's real estate empire while paying a fraction of what they should have owed in gift and estate taxes, according to the Times.
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 3:10 AM
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Originally posted by second:
6ix, you made another one of those arguments that it does not matter who you vote for. Stop doing that, please. I vote, too, and I mostly lose. The Federal government was never intended to be responsive to your and my needs. You are smart enough to know that. Trump is probably not the only person who scammed you, 6ixStringJack. You cannot hit back at Trump, but there are people closer to you that you can get to do what you want. Be more alert and thereby avoid misfortunes in the future. (This is starting to sound like fortune cookie philosophy.) 6ix, you can do it, while I know a lot of people who cannot, for various sad reasons.
I'm pretty sure at this point that I'm being scammed by any politician from local on up that has had any jurisdiction in my vicinity since I was born. The good news is, I'm in good company.
I've done well in local elections, but at the cost of other people. It's kind of a zero sum game when there are limited resources around. I'm sure I've talked about my property taxes before and how I cut them in half on my own without needing to get any lawyers involved. After that, I voted in the right people who took our situation to the state and struck an agreement with the legislature that if specific changes weren't made within the spending of an adjoining city in our township, that we could seceded from it and join one of the others in the vicinity. This further dropped my property taxes another $200 per year, for a total of around $1,400 in tax savings every year less than the price the previous owners were unwittingly paying.
But like I said, that comes at a cost to somebody else. Somebody else had to make up the $1,200 that I wasn't paying after I proved my case, and the $200 per year I'm saving reflects a tax savings for everybody in my city which is coming out of the poor relief of a city that was using more than anybody else by about 30 times. Shortly after this all went down, some high profile government people there were arrested for scams too.
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Show fff.net that you see through Trump's games.
I see the games. I'm the only one here that regularly argues against any good news regarding the economy or job outlook. It was bad under GWB, it was worse under Obama, and it's still a damn site from good under Trump. Trump correctly called the numbers bullshit when he was campaigning, but now that he's in charge he's lying about how good everything is just like any other politician would.
Meanwhile, those yearly additions to the national debt remain at terrifying levels.
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He will continue for years to deny his fortune was built on tax cheating.
I'm going to say that there should be an investigation. But I don't think the end result is going to show that Trump was cheating... at least not any more than any other rich person in his position would have gotten away with. I know quite a bit more about taxes and tricks than your average prole, but I'm not going to even pretend to know about tax law at that level, and all of the loopholes, tax shelters, and legal grey-areas that are available to people who could literally afford to burn a pile of money larger than I'd ever make in my life right in front of me just for kicks.
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Congress might not care. Voters might not care. But New York state might care enough to make a tax case against Trump. Since we are talking about a $ billion, Trump will spend $millions on lawyers to delay justice for many years. Don't expect this to go to trial anytime soon.Quote:
The practices allowed Trump and his siblings to inherit more than $1 billion from his father's real estate empire while paying a fraction of what they should have owed in gift and estate taxes, according to the Times.
What I find unfortunate is that this is a story that nobody is going to care about a week from now because there will be 5 more stories to talk about then. You kno
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:08 AM
Quote:You proved it with this one long answer ( although I always strongly suspected ) that you are far more agile than I. That's the person I wanted revealed. I hope there is less and less trouble in your future! ( I am also pleased that the NYTimes revealed Trump to be the tax cheater I always strongly suspected.) I hope there is more and more trouble in his future.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My most valuable currency today is my time. I might not ever make myself rich off of it, but maybe I can help enrich the lives of others one day with it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Quote:www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-york-tax-agency-weighs-investigati
“The Tax Department is reviewing the allegations in the Times article and is vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation,” said James Gazzale, a spokesman for the New York Department of Taxation and Finance.
On Capitol Hill, some Democrats renewed calls for Trump to release his tax returns — which he has repeatedly declined to do, unlike his predecessors.
“I knew there had to be a compelling reason why this president departed from previous presidents in not disclosing his income tax returns,” said Sen. Richard J. Durbin (Ill.), the Senate’s second-ranking Democrat.
on-after-report-that-trump-family-built-wealth-through-tax-avoidance-schemes-and-fraud/2018/10/02/5119f24e-c680-11e8-b2b5-79270f9cce17_story.html
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 4:45 AM
"Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S."
When Trump can point to an appraiser's signature and an official ownership record - doesn't that let him, personally, off the hook?
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 5:59 AM
Quote:You cannot use Facts, Logic, Truth in an argument like this. That is not fair, and far too confusing to Libtards and Trolls who cannot see your honest and sensible progression.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S."
When Trump can point to an appraiser's signature and an official ownership record - doesn't that let him, personally, off the hook?
tic tac
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 6:12 AM
Quote:We don't expect you to.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You cannot use Facts, Logic, Truth in an argument like this.
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 6:53 AM
Quote:Like I said....
Originally posted:Quote:We don't expect you to.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You cannot use Facts, Logic, Truth in an argument like this.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You cannot use Facts, Logic, Truth in an argument like this. That is not fair, and far too confusing to Libtards and Trolls who cannot see your honest and sensible progression.
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 7:39 AM
Quote:No. Why? Try to follow the events: The most common form of subterfuge in the Trump arsenal was valuation fraud. Basically, Fred Trump would turn over some piece of property to Donald Trump as a gift and value it at, say, $10 million. A year later Donald would sell it for $50 million. There were plenty of variations on this theme, and it turns out the IRS pretty much never audits this kind of thing. Over the years, the Trumps avoided hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes using this ruse. Donald knows both prices, the low and the high. He knows he is cheating. The IRS remains ignorant of what Donald and his appraisers have done. It becomes obvious when sufficient attention is paid to the details which can be found here:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S."
When Trump can point to an appraiser's signature and an official ownership record - doesn't that let him, personally, off the hook?
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
Aside from the tax shenanigans, the article also makes it clear that Donald Trump is the farthest thing imaginable from a self-made billionaire. He regularly claims that the only money he ever got from his father was a $1 million loan, but that’s hogwash.
Donald hoovered up nearly half a billion dollars from his father — and then squandered nearly all of it. He lost everything in the 80s; was bailed out by dad; nearly lost everything again in the early 2000s; was bailed out by selling off dad’s inherited empire; and then finally made some money on his own as a reality TV star. He is not quite the worst businessman ever to inherit a fortune, but he sure seems to be in the top 100 or so.
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Thursday, October 4, 2018 10:56 AM
"Basically, Fred Trump would turn over some piece of property to Donald Trump as a gift and value it at, say, $10 million. A year later Donald would sell it for $50 million."
But Fred Trump doesn't put the value on the property - an appraiser does. And the sale price is the result of a negotiation between buyer and seller - Donald Trump might just have found really motivated buyers.
I'm pointing out that fraud would be hard to prove.
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