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Monday, October 1, 2018 12:17 AM


Only 2,404 days remaining on the Impeachment Clock.

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Monday, October 1, 2018 3:47 AM

Big donor to Trump campaign made overture to top Russian official, boasting of connections

The businessman, who donated $273,000 in 2016, wanted a face-to-face meeting with a Russian official.

A Russian-born American businessman who gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to support Donald Trump's run for president in 2016 offered to brief a high-ranking Russian official during the final months of the campaign, according to a series of emails reviewed by NBC News.

The businessman, Simon Kukes, a Houston-based oil executive, sent an email to the official in Moscow in July 2016, boasting of his connections to the Trump campaign and requesting a face-to-face meeting.


“I have been actively involved in Trump’s election campaign, and am part of the group on strategy development,” Kukes wrote in the email to Vyacheslav Pavlovsky, vice president of the state-owned Russian Railways and a former Russian ambassador to Norway. “I will be in Switzerland July 20th till August 2nd. Let me know how you are doing, and whether you want to meet.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/big-donor-trump-campaign
-made-overture-top-russian-official-boasting-n913791


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Monday, October 1, 2018 6:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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37 days left until the Nov. elections and subpoena power.

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Maybe.

I don't know if I'd go trusting those polls from the same people who were telling you certainties 2 years ago though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Are there really any polls left suggesting Dems have a chance?

Other than 2nd graders.



Every one I've seen has them taking the house pretty easily, although they are showing that taking the senate is a long shot.

I'd say that if you think that the hidden Trump vote meant something in 2016, it's got to be double that in 2018, assuming people go out and vote.

The moral outrage that began in the build up to the 2016 election has reached a fever pitch and anybody who would come out and say that they support the Republican Party could be labeled a rapist or a nazi or a rape sympathizer, yada yada yada.

I don't think that vote is going to go favorably for the Democrats in November.



I've seen evidence of a glimmer of hope though. The wild claims by the extreme Leftists are becoming so insane that everybody else is starting seeing them for what they are... most importantly, the center-left Liberals. Like any moral outrage like the right-wing Satanic Panic of the 80's, McCarthyism, or the Salem Witch trials, this too will pass.

It won't be in time for the 2018 election, but it might be in time for the 2020 election. Time will tell.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, October 1, 2018 8:28 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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37 days left until the Nov. elections and subpoena power.

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Maybe.

I don't know if I'd go trusting those polls from the same people who were telling you certainties 2 years ago though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Are there really any polls left suggesting Dems have a chance?

Other than 2nd graders.


Every one I've seen has them taking the house pretty easily, although they are showing that taking the senate is a long shot.

I'd say that if you think that the hidden Trump vote meant something in 2016, it's got to be double that in 2018, assuming people go out and vote.

The moral outrage that began in the build up to the 2016 election has reached a fever pitch and anybody who would come out and say that they support the Republican Party could be labeled a rapist or a nazi or a rape sympathizer, yada yada yada.

I don't think that vote is going to go favorably for the Democrats in November.



I've seen evidence of a glimmer of hope though. The wild claims by the extreme Leftists are becoming so insane that everybody else is starting seeing them for what they are... most importantly, the center-left Liberals. Like any moral outrage like the right-wing Satanic Panic of the 80's, McCarthyism, or the Salem Witch trials, this too will pass.

It won't be in time for the 2018 election, but it might be in time for the 2020 election. Time will tell.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You mean the 43 Seat majority that GoP has in the House will be wiped out? Seriously?
I believe it is currently 236 to 193. Where are these flips going to take place? I would wager none of the House seats from WI flipping. Nor Gov. But Sen will.

I can't believe that a list of these 25 States could be too burdensome to itemize.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 7:53 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

The wild claims by the extreme Leftists are becoming so insane that everybody else is starting seeing them for what they are... most importantly, the center-left Liberals. Like any moral outrage like the right-wing Satanic Panic of the 80's, McCarthyism, or the Salem Witch trials, this too will pass.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Like this claim that Trump is the Tax Cheater in Chief?
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The manipulation of values to evade taxes was central to one of the most important financial events in Donald Trump’s life. In an episode never before revealed, Mr. Trump and his siblings gained ownership of most of their father’s empire on Nov. 22, 1997, a year and a half before Fred Trump’s death. Critical to the complex transaction was the value put on the real estate. The lower its value, the lower the gift taxes. The Trumps dodged hundreds of millions in gift taxes by submitting tax returns that grossly undervalued the properties, claiming they were worth just $41.4 million.

The same set of buildings would be sold off over the next decade for more than 16 times that amount.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:01 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
You mean the 43 Seat majority that GoP has in the House will be wiped out? Seriously?
I believe it is currently 236 to 193. Where are these flips going to take place? I would wager none of the House seats from WI flipping. Nor Gov. But Sen will.

I can't believe that a list of these 25 States could be too burdensome to itemize.



I'm not personally making the argument. I'm just saying that any polls I've seen show the likely hood of the GOP maintaining the house as a long shot.

If I were a gambling man that's not the way that I'd wager though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 9:04 AM

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Like this claim that Trump is the Tax Cheater in Chief?



No. That's an example of something that might be legitimate, but won't be taken seriously by anybody because it's lost in the last 700+ different anti-Trump stories the news has shit out every day since he was in office.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Like this claim that Trump is the Tax Cheater in Chief?



No. That's an example of something that might be legitimate, but won't be taken seriously by anybody because it's lost in the last 700+ different anti-Trump stories the news has shit out every day since he was in office.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I think you touched on the ultimate difference between the bottom 50% of the population and the top 50% -- being able to tune out the noise and concentrate on the signal. Somebody at bottom would see this story and they would envy Trump. Maybe be angry at life's unfairness, but they would still vote for him again if they had the chance. Somebody at the top would find it extremely revealing of Trump's motivations, because the story contradicts everything Trump has said about himself. It also involves Trump stealing $ billions in taxes, more and more the older Donald got:
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Fred Trump was relentless and creative in finding ways to channel this wealth to his children. By age 3, Donald Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.

Fred Trump’s real estate empire was not just scores of apartment buildings. It was also a mountain of cash, tens of millions of dollars in profits building up inside his businesses, banking records show. In one six-year span, from 1988 through 1993, Fred Trump reported $109.7 million in total income, now equivalent to $210.7 million. It was not unusual for tens of millions in Treasury bills and certificates of deposit to flow through his personal bank accounts each month.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html


The Times was able to trace this out because Donald Trump's father got rich from government housing loans. The Times put together a picture of how government favored the Trumps, who in gratitude then cheated on the taxes they owed the government. That would include Donald Trump, who followed the family example.

To summarize: Trump has been a huge tax cheater for all the life of his father, who died in 1999, and after, as his father's estate was sold off.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Like this claim that Trump is the Tax Cheater in Chief?



No. That's an example of something that might be legitimate, but won't be taken seriously by anybody because it's lost in the last 700+ different anti-Trump stories the news has shit out every day since he was in office.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I think you touched on the ultimate difference between the bottom 50% of the population and the top 50% -- being able to tune out the noise and concentrate on the signal. Somebody at bottom would see this story and they would envy Trump. Maybe be angry at life's unfairness, but they would still vote for him again if they had the chance. Somebody at the top would find it extremely revealing of Trump's motivations, because the story contradicts everything Trump has said about himself.



lol. That's cute. You took an entire paragraph to say that Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

How's that for tuning out the noise and concentrating on the signal, Second?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, October 3, 2018 7:11 PM

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lol. That's cute. You took an entire paragraph to say that Democrats are smarter than Republicans.

How's that for tuning out the noise and concentrating on the signal, Second?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Jesus Christ, 6ixStringJack, what is wrong with you? Do you ever stop and wonder why you are not rich, when you are obviously, at least to me, smarter, stronger, harder working than the typical 1 Percenter? Probably one of the following: a) You didn't click the link. b) You didn't read it. c) You didn't try hard enough to understand what you were reading. Repeat that a few thousand times, or some equivalent example that doesn't involve the internet, and you can waste your entire life.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-sc
hemes-fred-trump.html
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GRAT is short for grantor-retained annuity trust.

The Times found evidence that the Trumps dodged hundreds of millions of dollars in gift taxes by submitting tax returns that grossly undervalued the real estate assets they placed in Fred and Mary Trump’s GRATs.

According to Fred Trump’s 1995 gift tax return, obtained by The Times, the Trumps claimed that properties including 25 apartment complexes with 6,988 apartments — and twice the floor space of the Empire State Building — were worth just $41.4 million. The implausibility of this claim would be made plain in 2004, when banks put a valuation of nearly $900 million on that same real estate.

The methods the Trumps used to pull off this incredible shrinking act were hatched in the strategy sessions Donald Trump participated in during the early 1990s, documents and interviews show. Their basic strategy had two components: Get what is widely known as a “friendly” appraisal of the empire’s worth, then drive that number even lower by changing the ownership structure to make the empire look less valuable to the I.R.S.



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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