Russia wants to upend Western democracy
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UPDATED: Monday, August 31, 2026 20:48
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I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections. 
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I see THUGR continues to run away from his very own thesis of "protecting democracy".
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Quote:And not just in the US.
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.
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These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/
According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.
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Quote:And not just in the US.
Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.
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These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/
According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.- SIX
Apparently nobody wants to, altho there are more than a few examples of us interfering with bullets instead of a few tweets.
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Anyway, I'd like to get back to THUGR's concern that Russia wants to "upend Western democracy". I think before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.
So, what are the bases of our democracy? As I posted before, I think we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:
Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/
How has Russia upended them?
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The reason why I keep coming back to the question of what it takes to protect ... or conversely, upend ... democracy is because I see so many people actually trampling democracy in their (presumed) rush to "protect" it.
Let's start with 9-11, an attack (of some sort) on America. People were killed, and terror was instilled in the hearts of many. And yet, instead of PROTECTING our democracy by preserving the very protections and freedoms that are supposed to be its basis, the Bush administration whipped out a (conveniently pre-written) piece of legislation called the Patriot Act which allows our so-called "security agencies" broad powers such as the Founding Fathers never dreamed: "sneak and peek" searches; warrants that are so secret that merely revealing their existence is a crime; warrantless access to commercially-kept records; cooperation between the CIA, FSA, and FBI etc etc. Between that, the creation of "Homeland Security"; the (secret) institution of near-universal warrantless electronic surveillance; and the imprisonment and execution of American citizens without a jury trial I think Bush and Obama did more to destroy "democracy" than bin Laden ever did.
That's just one example; I hope that THUGR, REAVER, etc will come to the defense of democracy and tell us how it can be saved without being destroyed in the process.
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.
Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
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Quote:We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by reaverfan:Quote:We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.
I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Again. I never said it was okay.
All I said was that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 1kiki:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.
Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.
THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."
What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not. If you read any of the threads that mention russia you see who deflects negative stories away and defends russia, and who it is that posts the factual negative stories about russia.
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Quote:What our stupid troll THUGR has yet to figure out is that this isn't about "attacking" of "defending" Russia (or at least, it shouldn't be), but DEFENDING OUR DEMOCRACY.
What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not.
So THUGR, is there any way to "defend" democracy WITHOUT trampling it to death in an eagerness to attack other countries?
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