This is Why Trump is a SCUMBAG!

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SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 4:11 PM

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So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate." Notice how I carefully laid out my argument regarding the US involvement into WWII. Now, if we are to believe the history books, "we"
got involved only after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I could say that is
being provoked into combating the bullies of fascist regimes: Germany,
Italy and Japan.

Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling.

And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

I once posted "I love football" while others were protesting and complaining
about the Kapernick kneeling issue, just to see what would be the reaction.
I was soundly ridiculed and cursed at. So much for experimentation. I knew exactly the reaction I would get. I was prepared. So I deleted my post.
(By the way, I really do love football).

For the record, I knew that I would get that "response" (the comments that were being posted were truly unhinged and decidedly "pro-Trump"). Still
though, I was prepared for the worst hateful reactions. People go in
expecting a reaction, while others respond thusly...

I think that those who march chanting 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting
a violent response.

SGG

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 6:44 PM

lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Wednesday, September 5, 2018 10:27 PM

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So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with? - KIKI

Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention the word "initiate." Notice how I carefully laid out my argument regarding the US involvement into WWII. Now, if we are to believe the history books, "we" got involved only after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. I could say that is being provoked into combating the bullies of fascist regimes: Germany, Italy and Japan.

Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you; you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists come a-calling.

But who threw the first punch?

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And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me). But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed with someone you argued your side.

But you DON'T "argue your side"; you just blast out the ad-hominems and buzzwords. I'm tempted to think of you as SHINYSPITTLEGUY.

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I once posted "I love football" while others were protesting and complaining about the Kapernick kneeling issue, just to see what would be the reaction. I was soundly ridiculed and cursed at. So much for experimentation. I knew exactly the reaction I would get. I was prepared. So I deleted my post. (By the way, I really do love football).

I'd be interested in looking at that thread, but it's too bad that you deleted your post. Do you recall the thread title?

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For the record, I knew that I would get that "response" (the comments that were being posted were truly unhinged and decidedly "pro-Trump"). Still though, I was prepared for the worst hateful reactions. People go in expecting a reaction, while others respond thusly... I think that those who march chanting 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me*.

"Blood and soil" is protected free speech, dude. WHO THREW THE FIRST PUNCH? THAT'S the important question.

*Unless it's libel and causes damage to reputation and, presumably, material damages. In which case it is no longer protected free speech. Also, directly threatening somebody is not protected. The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over; "blood and soil" is definitely protected.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:41 AM

SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate."

You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You think that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face.

If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you could explain in what circumstances you think violence is appropriate under current circumstances. For example, here you claim that just having people show up under a name you disagree with is enough of a 'reason'.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling.

But then you backtrack in your reply with caveats not found in your original post:

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

But then you reiterate that NON-VIOLENTLY MARCHING and CHANTING WORDS are enough of an excuse for violence:

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think that those who MARCH CHANTING 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.

Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with? Who simply 'come a-calling' and 'march' and 'chant'.

And for the record, I didn't attack RF, call him names, or support any right-wing cause, slogan, or action. I asked a question, for clarification. THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT I POSTED THAT HE THINKS IS WORTH ATTACKING ME FOR: "So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?"

And it's a question I'm forced to repeated, since he espouses answers on both sides.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SECOND

Thursday, September 6, 2018 2:59 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

*Unless it's libel and causes damage to reputation and, presumably, material damages. In which case it is no longer protected free speech. Also, directly threatening somebody is not protected. The limits of free speech have been tested over and over and over; "blood and soil" is definitely protected.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Isn’t it a shame that someone can write an article or book, totally make up stories and form a picture of a person that is literally the exact opposite of the fact, and get away with it without retribution or cost. Don’t know why Washington politicians don’t change libel laws?
6:33 AM - Sep 5, 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037302649199177728

PLEASE file a libel lawsuit. That would be so fun to watch it backfire. Since Trump will not sue, the whole world can take it as evidence that Trump was not libeled in Bob Woodward's book on his presidency.
EVERY. WORD. WAS. TRUE.

1KIKI

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:19 AM

Hey, what happened to your sig line? Are you posting from a different account?

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

1KIKI

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:34 AM

MEANWHILE. so this doesn't get lost in SECOND's garbage

SHINNY
Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with?

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Kiki, your ideology is showing. At no point in my post do I even mention
the word "initiate."

You're right, you never use the word 'initiate'. What you DO espouse is violence, in regard to nothing at all.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You think that liberals should be labeled by your standards, go right ahead, do your
worst. Meanwhile, as far as I'm concerned, liberals will be punching people
in the face.

If that's not what you meant, then perhaps you could explain in what circumstances you think violence is appropriate under current circumstances. For example, here you claim that just having people show up under a name you disagree with is enough of a 'reason'.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Like I always tell my nephew, never start a fight, but if someone bullies you;
you have the right to defend yourself. Antifa shows up whenever fascists
come a-calling.

But then you backtrack in your reply with caveats not found in your original post:

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
And I don't care about someone disagreeing with me; I often respond by chuckling to myself, but then stating my argument. I chose my words
carefully. Well, with one exception...here. Sometimes I just burst out
with something crazy (mainly in response to something crazy hurled at me).
But no, everyone is entitled, at least it used to be a norm here in this
country, to speak freely. Again, it used to be a norm, that if you disagreed
with someone you argued your side.

But then you reiterate that NON-VIOLENTLY MARCHING and CHANTING WORDS are enough of an excuse for violence:

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I think that those who MARCH CHANTING 'Blood and Soil' must do so expecting a violent response.

Where do you REALLY stand regarding people who NON-VIOLENTLY espouse ideas you disagree with? Who simply 'come a-calling' and 'march' and 'chant'.

And for the record, I didn't attack RF, call him names, or support any right-wing cause, slogan, or action. I asked a question, for clarification. THIS IS THE SUM TOTAL OF WHAT I POSTED THAT HE THINKS IS WORTH ATTACKING ME FOR: "So, you think liberals are justified in initiating violence simply to silence people they don't agree with?"

And it's a question I'm forced to repeated, since he espouses answers on both sides.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

SECOND

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Hey, what happened to your sig line? Are you posting from a different account?

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources, has me calling Jeff Sessions “mentally retarded” and “a dumb southerner.” I said NEITHER, never used those terms on anyone, including Jeff, and being a southerner is a GREAT thing. He made this up to divide!
8:01 PM - 4 Sep 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1037173907625832448

"We know there's something wrong, but what I'm tired of is people, daily, nightly, on all the cable news shows telling us there's something wrong. I just think we ought to direct our resources and our energies to doing something about it. And other people have made this point: If the guy was running Dairy Queen, he'd be gone. This guy couldn't work at The Gap. So why do we have to be victimized by his fecklessness, his ignorance?... Let's just stop whining about what a goon he is and figure out a way to take him aside and put him in a home."
https://twitter.com/h2o_beth/status/1037367093077979137

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Thursday, September 6, 2018 3:39 AM

Quote:
PLEASE file a libel lawsuit. That would be so fun to watch it backfire. Since Trump will not sue, the whole world can take it as evidence that Trump was not libeled in Bob Woodward's book on his presidency.
EVERY. WORD. WAS. TRUE.

OMFG! The reason why Presidents (and other politicians) don't sue for defamation is because they are PUBLIC FIGURES. My god, even I knew that! And if you think I'm more ignorant than you ... what does that make you???

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In this era of fake news, criminal accusations, and allegations of misconduct made toward politicians, some people may wonder why they don’t sue to set the record straight. The main reason may be that, because the First Amendment protects freedom of speech and of the press, any action based on the content of statements must satisfy narrowly defined requirements, and politicians, as public figures, must also meet significantly higher burdens of proof than an ordinary person...

In a defamation case, a court will categorize a plaintiff as either a general public figure, a limited public figure, or a private citizen. To prove defamation, an ordinary person must prove that the defendant made the false statement, at least, negligently. However, if the court concludes that a plaintiff is either a limited or general public figure, the plaintiff must prove “clearly and convincingly” that the alleged defamatory statement was made with ‘actual malice’—that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.

http://frobertallison.com/libel-slander-politicians-dont-sue-defamatio
n/

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Thursday, September 6, 2018 4:06 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The already discredited Woodward book, so many lies and phony sources

Sure enough:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62659

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Random headlines:

Secretary Mattis fires back at claims in Woodward's book

Kelly Denies Woodward Book 'Fear' Claim He Called Trump Idiot

Ex-Trump lawyer John Dowd disputes details in Bob Woodward book

"Former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer ... added: "Anonymous sources have looser lips and may take liberties. But Woodward always plays it straight. Someone told it to him.""

So quoting anonymous sources who make things up makes it 'true', eh Ari?

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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