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Quote:I've thought Brennan was a "menace to the republic" ever since he spied on, and threatened members of, the CIA's civilian oversight Committee (Senate Intelligence Committee), and then lied about it.
SECOND, you still don't "get it", do you?
I can't have a conversation with Jimmy Carter, so why are you posting his opinion?? It's one thing to link to facts, figures, information, etc but if all you do is transmit other peoples' opinions, what's the point???
I can only discuss this with you. I want to know what YOU think.
DO you think???
Signym, I think you have to be truly fanatical not to see that Trump is every bit as terrible a human being, and every bit as much a menace to the republic, as you were warned when all the cool kids were busy snarking about Clinton’s emails. Signym, you were snarking on the emails this week. And you added Brennan because Trump moved against Brennan http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62609
Quote:Well, you don't have to take MY word for it, as Albright herself said it was "worth it" (BTW, I've posted this at least twice recently)
Signym, did you lose your mind when making your list of murders ordered by a President? It is your list, not mine, and no URLs did you provide to back it up:
1) Madelaine Albright and Bill Clinton killed a half-million children.
2) GWB killed up to a million.
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The Iraq Death Toll 15 Years After the US Invasion
Numbers are numbing, especially numbers that rise into the millions. But please remember that each person killed represents someone's loved one.
https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/03/15/iraq-death-toll-15-years
-after-us-invasion
or just do a search on death toll+ iraq
3) Obama killed hundreds of thousands.
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How Syria’s Death Toll Is Lost in the Fog of War
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/world/middleeast/syria-death-toll.h
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Split the death toll 50:50 if you want to be realistic.
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America’s Secret War on Yemen
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/10/americas-secret-war-on-yemen/
SECOND, if you REALLY cared about these issues, you wouldn't have your head stuck so far up your ass; you would have KNOWN about this already and wouldn't need me to link them for you. So clearly, you don't REALLY give a shit about "human rights" or whatever your latest screeching on the board indicates. You're just flinging handfuls of poop at the board. So, again, what is your REAL goal here? Clearly, it's not anything at all about human rights or human slaughter (or cow slaughter).
You're sadly incapable of being honest, not just with me but with yourself.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Smooth move there, Signym, making this all about me and not about Trump. But you are diverting attention from Trump into issues you don't care about, other than as weapons against Trump's enemies. You are serving Trump, Signym, but then again all Republicans are serving Trump, too. Congratulations for once again revealing yourself as either a crazy Republican or a Russian Troll. The article describing you is "The Slippery Slope of Complicity"
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, if you REALLY cared about these issues, you wouldn't have your head stuck so far up your ass; you would have KNOWN about this already and wouldn't need me to link them for you. So clearly, you don't REALLY give a shit about "human rights" or whatever your latest screeching on the board indicates. You're just flinging handfuls of poop at the board. So, again, what is your REAL goal here? Clearly, it's not anything at all about human rights or human slaughter (or cow slaughter).
You're sadly incapable of being honest, not just with me but with yourself.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
www.nytimes.com/2018/08/18/opinion/the-slippery-slope-of-complicity.ht
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Smooth move there, Signym, making this all about me and not about Trump. But you are diverting attention from Trump into issues you don't care about, other than as weapons against Trump's enemies. You are serving Trump, Signym, but then again all Republicans are serving Trump, too. Congratulations for once again revealing yourself as either a crazy Republican or a Russian Troll. The article describing you is "The Slippery Slope of Complicity"
Well, SMOOTH MOVE EXLAX. Now that your humanitarian "concern" has been shown to be about as deep as spit on a sidewalk, you try to shift the focus. AGAIN.
I'm not about to get involved in a disingenuous propaganda campaign (ON YOUR PART) where YOU just keep flinging crap at the board over and over, arguing with the voices in your head and shifting the topic as soon as it doesn't work out for you (which is pretty much right away), not responding to what I post. THAT IS NOT A DISCUSSION. THAT IS SECOND'S PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN.
I'm trying to have a discussion with you. I want to know what YOU think. So this is the closest you've come to expressing YOUR opinion (in all the pages and pages of poop flung at the board):
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Signym, I think you have to be truly fanatical not to see that Trump is every bit as terrible a human being, and every bit as much a menace to the republic, as you were warned when all the cool kids were busy snarking about Clinton’s emails.
So let's start there: Specifically, WHAT aspects of Trump make him a "terrible person" and WHAT has he done to be a "menace to the republic"? Do you think that you could POSSIBLY sustain a discussion on these two points without shifting focus?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Signym, did it cross your mind that there could be many things wrong with Trump? Probably not, but somebody made list for you to refute, one by one:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So let's start there: Specifically, WHAT aspects of Trump make him a "terrible person" and WHAT has he done to be a "menace to the republic"? Do you think that you could POSSIBLY sustain a discussion on these two points without shifting focus?
Truth-Testing Trump’s 250-Plus Attacks on the Russia Inquiry
An analysis by The New York Times found more than 250 examples of exaggerated, misleading or flat-out false claims by Mr. Trump about the Russia investigation.
More at www.msn.com/en-us/news/factcheck/truth-testing-trump’s-250-plus-attack
s-on-the-russia-inquiry/ar-BBM4Sk5?ocid=spartandhp
Your best strategy as a Trump booster is to fake amnesia, then demand that your enemy reeducation you and then you follow the Trump plan from “No evidence of collusion” to “collusion is no big deal” to “collusion is awesome — and let’s send John Brennan to jail.” That last step you took recently: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62609
Trump and Signym: Blowhards or “Very Stable Geniuses”?
Ralph Waldo Emerson, 19th century American philosopher, wrote: “With his will, or against his will, a man reveals himself with every word.” Much of what Donald Trump reveals about himself seems to be against his will. He thinks he’s making a great impression when, more often than not, just the opposite is true. Trump will, with extraordinary cluelessness, even brag about how humble he is.
More at www.paradisepost.com/2018/08/17/trump-blowhard-or-very-stable-genius/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Jobs are plentiful, so why aren’t wages rising?
The only employees who did not experience wage stagnation in markets with high plant concentration were those who belonged to unions.
www.nber.org/digest/may18/w24395.shtml
In a competitive labor market, as demand increases, firms will have to bid up the wage to attract more workers. But we have seen very little wage growth, particularly at the lower end of the wage distribution. This suggests that labor markets are not competitive.
Companies in cities with fewer employers offer lower wages. The smaller the number of companies in an industry, the lower average wages are for people who work in that field. In other words, if you are an electrician, you are better off if there are five small companies employing electricians in your city, rather than than one big one, because the firms have to bid against each other for your services.
The authors, in this and a follow-up paper, calculate labor market concentration and show that the average market is highly concentrated. They also show that this concentration is associated with lower wages, consistent with the idea that concentration increases labor market power of firms.
www.marinescu.eu/AzarMarinescuSteinbaum.pdf
More at https://qz.com/1355878/
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Trump may not be speaking to special counsel Robert Mueller, but White House Counsel Don McGahn has.
At length.
Because Trump may be setting him up to take the fall on potential obstruction of justice and that he’d then wind up like John Dean, former White House counsel to President Richard Nixon: in prison.
John Dean in 1973 feared that Nixon was setting him up as a fall guy for Watergate and secretly gave investigators crucial help while still in his White House job.
More at www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/18/17752056/don-mcgahn-white-ho
use-counsel-trump-mueller
Watergate’s John Dean Says McGahn Was Smart To Cooperate With Mueller
“Self-preservation is a real motive,” Dean said. “Trump throws almost everyone under the bus.”
McGahn is “doing exactly the right thing, not merely to protect himself, but to protect his client. And his client is not Donald Trump; his client is the Office of the President,” said Dean, who was White House counsel under Richard Nixon.
He also said McGahn was smart to make an early move and avoid the risk of being blamed for any potential illegalities.
More at www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nixon-attorney-john-dean-says-mcgahn-was-
smart-to-cooperate-with-mueller-probe_us_5b78d9aae4b0a5b1febbf635
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Quote:Of course, you fool. There are DOZENS of things wrong with Trump, just as there are dozens of things wrong with any other President.
Signym, did it cross your mind that there could be many things wrong with Trump? Probably not ...
But I seriously doubt that any (or most) of those "things" that you splatter the board with are important TO YOU .
Lookit, SECOND, if all of the dozens of things that you posted about Trump ..
Human rights!
Immigration!
Global warming!
Taxes!!
Corruption!!
(Small hands!)
Pussy-grabber!
Dishonesty!
(Orange skin!)
War!!!
Deficit!
Wealth for the wealthy!
The environment!
(Pink hair!)
Health care!!
Tariffs!
Financial deregulation!!
... didn't bother before, when these problems were ALSO happening, it's EXTREMELY unlikely that you have suddenly "seen the light" and been transformed on ALL of these issues all of the sudden. Most likely, many -if not all- of your posts are mere rationalizations ... excuses, if you will ... for the REAL reason(s) that you hate Trump.
Because it is very, very clear that you despise the man viscerally, intensely, personally and emotionally, and (as I posted) it is also extremely doubtful that it has anything to do with his actual policies and all about something else. So look into yourself and clear away the bullshit that you're fooling yourself with, and try to pin down WHY you react the way you do. Is it because he talks like a New Yorker? Because he uses Twitter to troll people? Because you think he's dangerously ignorant and/or unstable? Because he's Republican? Yanno, bird-dog than down. Once you've isolated what thing(s) REALLY bother you (you know, not the crap that you post here, but the things you really feel) ask yourself "WHY?" about that (those) too? Then ask yourself "WHY?" again. And again.
I'm not going to jump down your throat and tell you that you shouldn't be feeling the way you feel. Obviously, you have very strong reactions to Trump. But what I would like to understand is WHY. So please, stop posting more and more and more baloney. NONE of that really concerns you, does it? You're just pushing all the buttons and pulling all the strings to try and figure out how to convince me that there is something wrong with Trump. Trust me, I knew that November 2016. Consider this thread a "fire-free" zone, if you will; I just want to know what YOU think, and why.
I look forward to a direct reply.
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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Signym, good to know you believe that many things are wrong with Trump/GOP.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:Of course, you fool. There are DOZENS of things wrong with Trump, just as there are dozens of things wrong with any other President.
Signym, did it cross your mind that there could be many things wrong with Trump? Probably not ...
But I seriously doubt that any (or most) of those "things" that you splatter the board with are important TO YOU .
Do I have to explain each wrong thing to you because you want more from me? No, Sygnym, and I don't have to be considerate of your feelings about Trump or the GOP. But of my brother-in-law’s feelings, I do have to be considerate. He has a medical condition.
It was so funny yesterday when I started talking to him about Crashed, a book on how a decade of financial crises changed the world. His mind was coming unraveled and face turning red because the history of the 2008 Crash was very different then his mental construction provided by the GOP. I had to change subjects as soon as he realized I was undermining his mythology. His blood pressure soars up into the level of strokes.
He is also very defensive of Richard Nixon and the Vietnam War. I actually volunteered for Vietnam while he was playing hippie at UT Austin. That was his temporary antiwar phase. I have seen the pictures of his long hair. Ever since that war failed, he has been GOP all the way. For him, that was The Good War, but he could not go to Vietnam because of medical deferments from bone spurs in his heels. (Sounds like Trump, doesn’t it?) I think Nixon is NOT a heroic Communist fighter forced from office before he could win the war. I know the true history, which is the opposite of the fairy-tale my brother-in-law believes in.
www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-viet
nam-treason
Will I explain to Signym’s satisfaction? No. Why bother? Her stroke is not my problem.
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With the wisdom of hindsight, the critical intervention that mitigated the 2008 crisis was not the bank bailouts or central bank asset-buying programs but rather “unprecedented transnational action by the American state” to pump dollars into banks all over the world.
Trillions of dollars were provided through various money-market transactions. One key operation was currency swap lines, where the Fed loans dollars out to other countries’ central banks in exchange for those banks’ currency to be repaid later with interest. They were developed in the 1960s but went out of use after about a decade (though they returned briefly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in 2001). Currency swap lines were revived in 2007 between the Fed and global central banks to give loans of dollars to foreign banks. These loans, though by now repaid in full, show how much extra funding was desperately needed by Europe at the time. By September 2010, total lending and repayment on the swap facilities came to $10 trillion.
Reinserting the role of the dollar in the financial history of the 2008 Crash is not just a matter of setting the record straight, writes Tooze, but also essential if we want to adequately prepare for the consequences of Donald Trump’s “declaration of independence from an interconnected and multipolar world.” The dollar locks the global financial system together, and it took the Fed plus a shaky US political coalition — that understood the importance of the US dollar to foreign banks — to take the actions necessary in the aftermath of the crisis to alleviate it. If something were to happen again, Trump’s “America First” policy outlook doesn’t indicate a desire to take actions explicitly designed to help other countries.
More at https://qz.com/1362101/
Crashed by Adam Tooze (.epub)
https://torrentz2.eu/45b7f7297e5397e79b89a286868f15d74305b8a5
https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/24031217/
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Steve Bannon, the former chief strategist, said Trump's culture wars, which have included public attacks on women and minorities, don't present a problem, calling it his "house style" and saying people should "separate out the signal from the noise." He argued that Trump would benefit from shutting down the government over funding for his border wall, saying it would "galvanize the populist right," though he acknowledged it was a minority view.
On trade, Bannon backed the president's aggressive tariffs, which have drawn criticism in agricultural states crucial to Trump's victory. He argued they were a key part of Trump's nationalistic economic strategy.
"People in Iowa, once it's explained to them, will fully support the president in this," he said. "We don't have a choice. We either win the economic war with China or we're going to be a secondary, a tertiary power."
Steve Bannon says GOP must rally behind Trump to survive
www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/steve-bannon-says-gop-must-rally-behin
d-trump-to-survive/ar-BBM9lmH?ocid=spartandhp
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