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Quote:When a politician says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of the failure?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:STILL not ready to have an honest discussion???
When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic. - SIGNY
Signym, now I know you are living in Russia because you don’t remember this happening in America- SECOND
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Trump wrote this week:
Our Country was built on Tariffs, and Tariffs are now leading us to great new Trade Deals - as opposed to the horrible and unfair Trade Deals that I inherited as your President. Other Countries should not be allowed to come in and steal the wealth of our great U.S.A. No longer!
8:04 AM - 15 Aug 2018
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1029745594540150784
Trump says, "No longer!" But when I check, the trade deficit is $46 billion for June. By the year’s end, it will be $600 billion for twelve months. How long is "No longer!" for Trump? A year? Two years? For ordinary people, "no longer" means "today" or "now".
When does Trump stop the "stealing the wealth of our great U.S.A."? Because $552 billion was stolen in 2017.
www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/current_press_release/ft900
Trump identified the reduction of the US trade deficit as one of the key goals for the recent tariffs imposed by the US.
According to research by economists at the New York Federal Reserve, it is unlikely that Trump's tariffs will lead to a reduction of the trade deficit. The New York Fed economists identified two reasons that the deficit will not decline: increased costs will reduce the output of domestic exporters and retaliatory tariffs will reduce foreign appetite for US goods.
www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-war-unlikely-to-reduce-trade-defic
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Trump has to prove the economists are wrong. The longer he waits to raise tariffs, the longer "stealing the wealth of our great U.S.A." goes on. How long is "No longer!" in Trump’s opinion? He has not said.
The Trump team argues that the tariffs are giving them leverage in trade negotiations and any short-term pain from the tariffs will eventually be worth it, but they have yet to see results. Top White House officials such as Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and U.S. Trade Representative Robert E. Lighthizer made the television rounds to herald a Korean deal as proof that the Trump trade agenda was working, calling it “historic” and an “absolute win-win.” Trump tweeted it was a “great deal.”
Yet nearly five months later, the deal has not been finalized, a time-frame trade experts say is getting long for what appeared to be a straightforward tweak to an existing deal. “The Koreans learned that even if you reach an agreement with the Trump administration, they might hit you again with something later to get more,” said Troy Stangarone of the Korea Economic Institute.
Deals with other nations remain even more elusive. Negotiations with China and Canada, the two largest U.S. trading partners, have stalled this summer as substantial disagreements endure and foreign leaders say Trump is being unreasonable and they don’t understand what he really wants.
Revising NAFTA has been a top Trump priority since his presidential campaign began, and he’s repeatedly called it one of the “worst deals in history.” Senior administration officials have said an agreement in principle is close between the United States and Mexico, but Canada has been left out of the talks, a major hurdle to getting all three parties to agree.
More at www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/15/trump-boasts-about-great-ne
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Quote:That's a dishonest question. If you were being honest (with yourself) you would never have asked that question.
When a politician says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of the failure?
One of these times, you might find a glimmer of truthfulness in yourself somewhere, but this was not that moment.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:How about this truth? Trump lied his fucking head off about his trade deals and about his intentions to reduce the trade deficit. Was that honest enough for you, Signym?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:That's a dishonest question. If you were being honest (with yourself) you would never have asked that question.
When a politician says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of the failure?
One of these times, you might find a glimmer of truthfulness in yourself somewhere, but this was not that moment.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Kevin Williamson’s unhinged attack on Elizabeth Warren’s corporate accountability bill, explained
I’m not sure he actually read it.
As someone who tries to follow progressive policy development trends pretty closely, I was struck to see Thursday morning that Kevin Williamson had an article in National Review describing “Elizabeth Warren’s Batty Plan to Nationalize . . . Everything.”
Williamson turns out to be referring to Warren’s proposed Accountable Capitalism Act, which I wrote about on Wednesday and which does not involve nationalizing anything at all.
Her proposal would, in fact, be a large change in how the American economy works. And the impact of the change would almost certainly be negative for the 10 percent of the population that owns 80 percent of the value of the American stock market. So it’s natural that the plan will provoke intense opposition, and very much worth considering the possibility that it’s a bad idea.
But Williamson, who every conservative I know regards as one of the movement’s top minds, reaches his conclusion based almost entirely on mischaracterizing Warren’s program.
More at www.vox.com/2018/8/17/17698502/kevin-williamson-elizabeth-warren-corpo
rate-accountability
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I see that you're back to splattering the board, again.
Seriously, SECOND, does it not trouble you that you're so unhinged and dishonest?
Quote:That's you, SECOND. Here's a hint: quantity does not equal quality
Many of you OTOH just endlessly splatter the board with undigested, contradictory bits and pieces of ghafla.
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As soon as one of your (mostly) stupid points is dispatched, you bring up another (mostly) stupid point. Quite often, you'll recycle a (mostly) stupid point from a previous post without, apparently, even realizing that that point has already been eliminated several times by some of your other (mostly) stupid posts.
It would be nice if you would, some day, sit down and THINK. Yanno, track down what you feel, and - especially - WHY you feel that way. What or who are you defending? Why?
Bird-dog the essential principles that are driving that reaction. Look at how that principle behaves at the extremes; whether or not it conflicts with other essential principles (most likely it does); and resolve that conflict.
I know ... thinking. It's hard work. So best get to it; sooner is better.
Honesty is also hard work, but you can't think objectively if you can't even be honest with yourself, and view your own reactions realistically. That's another habit you might want to start developing.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:US interior secretary's school friend blocking climate research, scientists say:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I see that you're back to splattering the board, again.
Seriously, SECOND, does it not trouble you that you're so unhinged and dishonest?
Honesty is also hard work, but you can't think objectively if you can't even be honest with yourself, and view your own reactions realistically. That's another habit you might want to start developing.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Prominent US climate scientists have told the Guardian that the Trump administration is holding up research funding as their projects undergo an unprecedented political review by the high-school football teammate of the US interior secretary.
Oh, come on. Just because the guy used to play high-school ball with Zinke doesn’t make his PhD in geophysics worth less than anyone else’s. We should probably cut him some—
Steve Howke, one of Zinke’s high-school football teammates, oversees this review. Howke’s highest degree is a bachelor’s in business administration. Until Zinke appointed him as an interior department senior adviser to the acting assistant secretary of policy, management and budget, Howke had spent his entire career working in credit unions.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/17/interior-secretarys-school-fri
end-crippling-climate-research-scientists-say
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, what is really troubling you? I don't ever remember you being engaged in "the issues" until Trump came along, and - all of the sudden- EVERYTHING became a crisis for you!
Did you ever post about "the poor illegal immigrants" when Obama was deporting them by the cargo plane-full?
Did you ever object to aggression against foreign nations when Obama was toppling governments and killing people overseas? Or did this just now become a problem?
Did you ever have heartburn over government-in-service-to-the-wealthy when Obama threw government money at big banks and pharmaceuticals, or do you save your ire for Republicans?
In other words, what REALLY bothers you? Is it the political party? The person? Something else? Why?
I'm sure there is a principle at work somewhere; something that drives you and rankles your sense of right and wrong. If you could figure out what that is ... or at least start down that path ... you could stop shitting all over the board and consolidate your complaints into MEANINGFUL (for you) problems. I would love to discuss what YOU THINK, but I'm not about to put myself in the target range of those undigested bits of schiess that come flying out towards the board every now and again.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Jimmy Carter has been notably quiet about President Trump. But on this night, two years into Trump’s term, he’s not holding back.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, what is really troubling you? I don't ever remember you being engaged in "the issues" until Trump came along, and - all of the sudden- EVERYTHING became a crisis for you!
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
“I think he’s a disaster,” Carter says. “In human rights and taking care of people and treating people equal.”
Carter says his father taught him that truthfulness matters. He said that was reinforced at the U.S. Naval Academy, where he said students are expelled for telling even the smallest lie.
“I think there’s been an attitude of ignorance toward the truth by President Trump,” he says.
Carter says he thinks the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision has “changed our political system from a democracy to an oligarchy. Money is now preeminent. I mean, it’s just gone to hell now.”
He says he believes that the nation’s “ethical and moral values” are still intact and that Americans eventually will “return to what’s right and what’s wrong, and what’s decent and what’s indecent, and what’s truthful and what’s lies.”
But, he says, “I doubt if it happens in my lifetime.”
More at www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-un-celebrity-president-jimmy-carter-shun
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About Carter’s comment on the Citizens United decision:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
"A democracy cannot function effectively when its constituent members believe laws are being bought and sold," wrote Justice John Paul Stevens.
It was an extremely partisan issue, along the same dimension as Bush v Gore, a 5 Republicans to 4 Democrats decision. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_v._Gore
Because of that decision they didn't accurately know the actual Florida vote count in 2000, but Texans who were familiar with Bush as Texas governor accurately predicted how bad his major decisions would be in the White House. It was easy to see which direction Bush was bent on following. People familiar with Trump as a casino owner/TV star predicted the same.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, you still don't "get it", do you?
I can't have a conversation with Jimmy Carter, so why are you posting his opinion?? It's one thing to link to facts, figures, events, etc but if all you do is transmit other peoples' opinions, what's the point???
I can only discuss this with you. I want to know what YOU think.
DO you think???
Jimmy Carter is the President noted for introducing "human rights" into the American political lexicon. (He also supplied Islamist nutjobs in Afghanistan with weapons in Brzezinski's neverending "war on Russia".) HIS concern is Trump's record on "human rights".
So, at what point did YOU become concerned with "human rights"?
Was it when Madelaine Albright and Bill Clinton killed a half-million Iraqi children?
When GWB killed up to a million Iraqis in his feckless invasion?
When Obama supported jihadists in Syria, Libya, and Yemen, killing hundreds of thousands, displacing millions, and unleashing the worst humanitarian disaster to date in Yemen?
Or is this just another entirely arbitrary "concern" on your part? And if this is just an arbitrary piece of shit flying towards the board, which one ... of the hundred or more "points" that you've posted on the board ... is your MAIN concern? And if NONE of those opinions that you've posted are of any real concern to you, then why the hell are you even posting?
You have a reason. What is that reason? What are you hoping to accomplish, and why?
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Signym, I think you have to be truly fanatical not to see that Trump is every bit as terrible a human being, and every bit as much a menace to the republic, as you were warned when all the cool kids were busy snarking about Clinton’s emails. Signym, you were snarking on the emails this week. And you added Brennan because Trump moved against Brennan http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62609
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you still don't "get it", do you?
I can't have a conversation with Jimmy Carter, so why are you posting his opinion?? It's one thing to link to facts, figures, information, etc but if all you do is transmit other peoples' opinions, what's the point???
I can only discuss this with you. I want to know what YOU think.
DO you think???
Signym, did you lose your mind when making your list of murders ordered by a President? It is your list, not mine, and no URLs did you provide to back it up:
1) Madelaine Albright and Bill Clinton killed a half-million children.
2) GWB killed up to a million.
3) Obama killed hundreds of thousands.
While you are at it, Signym, add #4) 39 million beautiful brown-eyed cows are slaughtered EACH YEAR and it is all the fault of Trump. Oh, actually it is not. And neither are your kill numbers 1), 2), and 3) all the fault of the Presidents. It is just another one of your crazy digressions because you cannot face up to your endorsement of Donald, the Truly Awful Trump, for President.
See, I got a URL for the animal slaughter: https://awfw.org/factory-farms/
"9 billion land animals are killed each year in the U.S. alone." My God! It is a holocaust! Blame Trump!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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