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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm just going to make a general comment here ...
It seems to me that I spend a lot of posts repeating the same things over and over. I have a general understanding of what I think is good for Americans and how I think we can get there. It's certainly not 100% correct, but at least I took some time to think it through to its fundamental principles ... what am I "for" more? Corporations or democracy? Foreign money or peace? Efficiency or robustness? Globalism or nationalism? Meritocracy or privilege?
Many of you OTOH just endlessly splatter the board with undigested, contradictory bits and pieces of ghafla. As soon as one of your (mostly) stupid points is dispatched, you bring up another (mostly) stupid point. Quite often, you'll recycle a (mostly) stupid point from a previous post without, apparently, even realizing that that point has already been eliminated several times by some of your other (mostly) stupid posts.
It would be nice if you would, some day, sit down and THINK. Yanno, track down what you feel, and - especially - WHY you feel that way. What or who are you defending? Why?
Bird-dog the essential principles that are driving that reaction. Look at how that principle behaves at the extremes; whether or not it conflicts with other essential principles (most likely it does); and resolve that conflict.
I know ... thinking. It's hard work. So best get to it; sooner is better.
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I just gave GSTRING a[nother] run-through on the conflict between "government regulation" and "free trade"; I hope it sticks this time, and maybe he will (finally) resolve the contradiction between his own two positions and decide how much of each he wants.
Let me give you another quick example: Say that you sympathize with illegal immigrants. You think their influx should be unlimited. Therefore, you're an advocate of "open borders". How does that work at the extremes? What if we had 40 million people crossing our borders next year? How does that work? How could we MAKE it work? Do we WANT to make it work? What does this position conflict with? How do we resolve the conflict(s)?
Give it some thought. Stop reacting: Think.
I spent 2 years easily proving you and Kiki to be frauds & fooligans when it came to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. You obviously learned nothing in those 2 years. You just repeat the same arguments and denial tactics and lies about what others think and mountains of text to make it all seem substantial. A big snooze fest.
Time for you to bitch about sunny days and running water.
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Quote:An "invasion" which didn't use air support, cross-border artillery, lines of tanks visible by satellite, installations, or masses of troops.
I spent 2 years proving you and Kiki to be frauds & fooligans when it came to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
I never posted that Russia wasn't involved. But their involvement was with arms, supplies, intel, some troops and trainers, and a porous border but left no permanent footprint in Donbas, and involved no violence in Crimea (maybe a few shots fired, but not by Russians). I would call it a "proxy war" or a "hybrid war", but clearly Russia was not interested in establishing a permanent presence in eastern Ukraine, and was concerned only with their naval base in Sevastopol which they acquired without violence.
Some "invasion"!
When YOU'RE ready to start thinking, let me know!
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:An "invasion" which didn't use air support, cross-border artillery, lines of tanks visible by satellite, installations, or masses of troops.
I spent 2 years proving you and Kiki to be frauds & fooligans when it came to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Yeah, some "invasion"!
As I have posted probably a couple-dozen times by now, it involved arms, supplies, intel, some troops and trainers, and a porous border but left no permanent footprint in Donbas, and involved no violence in Crimea (maybe a few shots fired, but not by Russians). I would call it a "proxy war" or a "hybrid war", but clearly Russia was not interested in establishing a permanent presence in eastern Ukraine, and was concerned only with their naval base in Sevastopol which they acquired without violence.
And still wrong - you can't hide your idiocy by repeating it!.
And so funny to hear you complain about how many times you've "had to type something!"
You live to type - the only thing you like doing more is reading what you've typed!
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You're a troll, GSTRING. And a brainless coward.
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Now you know, Signym. When Trump says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of his failure?
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But let me ask YOU: Why is it unimportant to you that you're such a mindless partisan?
When you're ready not be such a tool, let me know.
Maybe someday Trump will turn his illegal alien failure into success, but for now he is not admitting he is lying about his failure to remove 11 million illegals. He can't even handle hundreds of MS-13. He is weak. He is confused. He is lying. And I can prove it with Trump's own words:
Stunning admission by Trump
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/08/16/tapper-monologue-brennan-trump-
reason-security-clearance-lead-vpx.cnn
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:DID Trump fail? NPR says not.
Now you know, Signym. When Trump says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of his failure?
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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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Quote:Look like failure to me, Signym. That NPR story is 8 months old.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:DID Trump fail? NPR says not.
Now you know, Signym. When Trump says he kept a promise but he did not, is it partisan to take note of his failure?
“The Hungarian Embassy put a page up on their website warning Hungarians, the U.S. Immigration Police are out in force. And you overstay your visa at your own peril.”
“The number of deported Haitians soared from 300 in 2016 to more than 5,500 in 2017. They mistakenly thought they could get humanitarian relief. But that wasn't the case. They got locked up and then deported.”
“There's up to 50,000 Irish visa overstays living in the U.S. illegally. So the government of Ireland has actually appointed a special envoy to the U.S. Congress to figure out a legislative fix to find a path to legalization for the undocumented Irish living here and get more work visas.”
Such mighty triumphs for Trump, Signym. More recently, Trump was locking up children. Very impressive work. At the rate Trump is moving, the last of the 11 million illegals will be deported in 10 years after never because "more travelers overstay their visitors' visas - there were more than 600,000 in 2016 - than cross the border illegally." Let's see: 1,200,000 enter by plane or by wetback and 400,000 are deported. That means Trump has 800,000 more illegals every year. Good job!
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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SECOND, your "point" is stupid and baseless. The reason why criminal aliens are here NOW
is bc Obama didn't deport them, and he had 8 years to do it. Why do you object to Trump's performance when you didn't object to Obama's on the same issue? CLEARLY you don't really care whether criminal aliens are deported or not; if you did you would have said something about it 2008-2016.
When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic.
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
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Quote:Signym, now I know you are living in Russia because you don’t remember this happening in America:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic.
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
Arrests by Trump’s administration's Immigration and Customs Enforcement in 2017 were about half what they were during President Barack Obama's peak years, 2010 and 2011, according to a new report by the Migration Policy Institute.
During Obama's first term, when he was laying the groundwork for what he hoped would be a comprehensive bargain on immigration, his administration aggressively enforced immigration law. ICE arrests peaked at more than 300,000 annually in 2010 and 2011. Deportations from the American interior -- in other words, not of people apprehended near the border — surpassed 200,000 in both those years, also about twice the number reached in 2017. Pro-immigrant groups took to calling Obama the "deporter in chief."
The effort severely strained Obama's relations with immigration activists while getting him nowhere with Republican legislators, most of whom stayed true to a policy of bad faith. In 2011, at the height of the deportations, GOP Representative Lamar Smith, a rigid immigration opponent from Texas, lamented what he called Obama's policy of "backdoor amnesty."
After the House GOP killed the immigration deal that had passed the Senate in 2013 with a super-majority, Obama gave up. His final years were marked by a more lenient disposition toward immigrants and minimal appetite for enforcement against non-criminals.
More at www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-05-15/trump-is-deporting-fewer-im
migrants-than-obama-did
What is Trump's excuse for doing half of what Obama did? Obama wanted the law weakened, yet he enforced it more energetically than Trump, who wants the law strengthened. What is going on in Trump's head? Why is he so disorganized about deporting illegals? I do not think Trump could execute a plan to deport all illegals before the 2020 election. Or the 2024 election. Or the 2028 election. Or any election.
Thinking back, I remember the GOP whining about illegals during Ronald Reagan's Presidency. I was tired of hearing about then. It is time for the GOP to finally do what they always promised to do.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:STILL not ready to have an honest discussion???
When you're ready to have an honest discussion ... and really, I doubt that you ever will but who knows ... get back to me on the topic. - SIGNY
Signym, now I know you are living in Russia because you don’t remember this happening in America- SECOND
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake
"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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