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UPDATED: Friday, January 3, 2003 03:49
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FURYFIRE

Wednesday, January 1, 2003 11:28 PM

Yeah this topic was meaningless, wasn't it.

If you know anyone that can help my screenwriting career, please help! And yes, I am self-advertising here. Hehehe, me such a little devil.

BOBKNAPTOR

Thursday, January 2, 2003 9:49 AM

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in no way is what John Edwards doing science

Sure it's science. It's the science of reading the crowd. It's certainly not paranormal. He's praying on people's weaknesses, their grief over lost loved ones and their fear of death. He says "I'm getting a strong 'm' vibration... is there a mary? marie?" somebody says "OOOoooo... MARTHA! My Wife's name was Martha!" He sees that the guy is young, assumes the guy's wife would also have been young, so he says something about her death being untimely.... the guy says "It's true! she died in a car accident!" OH MY GOSH! another believer! It's a miracle!

The guy is a complete and utter fraud.

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There was no pain. No fear, no doubt... till they pulled me out... of heaven. So that's my refrain. I live in hell 'cause I've been expelled from heaven. I think I was in heaven.

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, January 2, 2003 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
He says "I'm getting a strong 'm' vibration... is there a mary? marie?" somebody says "OOOoooo... MARTHA! My Wife's name was Martha!" He sees that the guy is young, assumes the guy's wife would also have been young, so he says something about her death being untimely.... the guy says "It's true! she died in a car accident!" OH MY GOSH! another believer! It's a miracle!

Hey, hey, seriously, have you watched the show or do you get all your information from SNL and Southpark? From what I've seen, his information is often far, far more detailed and complete than that, without any prompting from anybody. Sure, at times he's obviously just floundering around, but when he hones in on something, he comes up with pretty detailed, peculiar, spectacularly hard to fake stuff.

Seriously, do any of you who bash the guy even believe that what he claims to do is possible? 'Cause if you don't, you're not promoting science, you're promoting orthodoxy--in which case, everything he says must be lies, so you tune out the anomalous details that don't support your premise and only hear what gives your belief system validity (well, it is a grand scientific tradition, after all

).

I think that if you could come to Crossing Over with an open mind, you might be surprised and intrigued by the uncanny stuff John Edward seems to be in touch with on a regular basis. If he's a fraud, he's doing a lot more than a simplistic "cold reading" scam. I for one, think he's worthy of further study.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

GUAILO

Thursday, January 2, 2003 3:55 PM

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Hey, hey, seriously, have you watched the show or do you get all your information from SNL and Southpark? From what I've seen, his information is often far, far more detailed and complete than that, without any prompting from anybody. Sure, at times he's obviously just floundering around, but when he hones in on something, he comes up with pretty detailed, peculiar, spectacularly hard to fake stuff.

I don't believe it's an issue of wether or not this guy is good at what he does. Parapsychology and the paranormal in general are not sciences. Period. You can belive in them, but all sciences are quantifiable in some way, and dream annalysis just isn't. I mean, unless you count the number of dreams one is analyzing...that's quantifiable I suppose. (lol)

But that's enough sarcasm. Point is, I still imagine that the big networks would be tougher to sell to but they are also better at marketing. They have more money for advertisement and promotion. I grant you that ABC, CBS, and NBC aren't typically prone to science fiction, but that's not true this season. I know of at least one show, Miracles, that appears to be a combination of X-Files and Millenium.

UPN might be the most willing or seemingly the most advantageous, but like I said, they also pour tons of money into Buffy and Star Trek as it is. They might see that as plenty.

Believe me though, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

BOBKNAPTOR

Thursday, January 2, 2003 4:50 PM

I have watched the show. The guy just doesn't ring true for me. As for SNL, I haven't seen any of the skits that mock him, and I haven't watched much southpark since the second season.

I do believe in the premise, just not in him. I have issues with people who tell the future or contact the dead for money. I think that everyone has some psychic ability or other, whether it be just a basic feeling or full on preminitions. I read tarot, and when I read for friends, I'm typically fairly accurate. But I don't like to read for strangers, I don't know enough to connect. I know that everyone's abilities are different, but using this talent for money feels a little like whoring to me. It's too personal to take money for, or to do with strangers.

HKCAVALIER

Thursday, January 2, 2003 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by bobknaptor:
I have watched the show. The guy just doesn't ring true for me.

...I don't like to read for strangers, I don't know enough to connect. I know that everyone's abilities are different, but using this talent for money feels a little like whoring to me. It's too personal to take money for, or to do with strangers.

That's totally respectable.

I personally prefer to do readings for strangers because the information comes through more clearly when my own desires and prejudices can't get in the way. When I was just starting out I was extremely squeamish about taking money for readings, but soon it became clear that I was not respecting people's generosity or the value they placed on my work if I didn't take what they clearly wanted to give me in return for my help. For years I would only accept trade/barter type gifts which people felt reflected the value of my information/guidance. But as my practice grew it just seemed more and more precious and awkward to keep explaining and justifying the whole gift exchange when the folks I was reading felt fine about giving me money. Eventually it seemed like the simplest solution. Meanwhile, I had to do a lot of meditation on prosperity and clean up my hate/hate relationship with money. So I personally have no problem with John Edward or anyone who makes money from using their gift as long as they're painstakingly honest and genuinely grateful.

I'd be curious how much folks pay to sit in the gallery at one of his tapings. Of course, none of them is guaranteed to get a reading from John, so strictly speeking non of them is paying for him to contact their dead. And Sci-fi pays him, I'm sure, for the entertainment value of his performance. As soon as his ratings drop, he'll be gone.

My apologies to my fellow Firefly fans who think this is all utterly off topic, but I think the place of psychic awareness in our lives and in science is pretty relevant to a show with a character like River Tam running around. The credulousness of the crew (Objects in Space) is pretty familiar territory for anyone with her kind of gift. And I'd say it was pretty clear that Joss & co. respect the validity and reality of her perceptions, even if the crew of the Serenity is either in denial or plain clueless. I understand this last point is debatable, but I got a feeling.

As for the scientific validity of psychic awareness and communication with the dead, the work being done in England right now by Sheldrake and others on morphic fields and racial memory is pretty fascinating. Anybody up on that stuff?

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

TALLGRRL

Friday, January 3, 2003 3:49 AM

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Sci-Fi channel won't touch it at all. It has become a pale pathetic shade of itself. [snip]

...right around 1999, those damn jocks, who for whatever evil reasons love to torture the nerds, went and bought the beloved nerd channel, [snip]

I mean what the hell..did you see it when they showed "Braveheart" last month? What the hell kind of gorram sci-fi movie is THAT!?

Ya know, I was wondering about that Braveheart thing myself. It's not even a "fantasy" flim.
Maybe the jocks at Sci-Fi have no idea that it's historical drama.
Maybe they thought 'cause it's a Mel Gibson flick, it must actually be: "Mad Max: Braveheart"

(You have to admit, they sure did pimp the hell outta "Taken", though. And I must admit, I sure got hooked.)

"Take me, Sir. Take me hard."

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