Trump Is Destroying Everything He Touches

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JJ

Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:20 PM

Donald Trump Has Known "Vladimir Putin Ordered Hacks" Since January 2017. Yet Trump has been calling the investigation into that a Witch Hunt.

Can you admit Trump has been colluding with the Russians to cover this up? No, than you're not very bright like Jack, or like sig and kiki you are Russian.

T

REAVERFAN

Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:45 PM

‘Treated Worse than Dogs’: Immigrant Kids in Detention Give Firsthand Accounts of Squalid Conditions
https://www.texasobserver.org/treated-worse-than-dogs-immigrant-kids-i
n-detention-give-firsthand-accounts-of-squalid-conditions/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

THG

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:51 AM

T

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JJ:
Donald Trump Has Known "Vladimir Putin Ordered Hacks" Since January 2017. Yet Trump has been calling the investigation into that a Witch Hunt.

Can you admit Trump has been colluding with the Russians to cover this up? No, than you're not very bright like Jack, or like sig and kiki you are Russian.

This is where you completely lose the argument, T.

You can't just call people who don't believe what you believe Russians.

It's not a legitimate argument, and all you do is put a wedge in the middle of people and cause people to push back. Instead of being able to possibly persuade anybody to your way of thinking you do the exact opposite. All you're doing is riling everybody up.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

THG

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 1:21 AM

Ryan: Trump Threat To Revoke Security Clearances Is 'Trolling People'

House Speaker Paul Ryan on Tuesday downplayed a threat by President Trump to revoke security clearances for a number intelligence officials who served under President Barack Obama as "trolling" and not a political act.

"I think he's trolling people, honestly," Ryan told reporters. "This is something that is in the purview of the executive branch."

Ryan moved on quickly when asked whether it is dangerous for Trump to threaten people's security clearances over politics. Democrats and Republicans have warned that revoking classified access over political dissent could have a chilling effect on the intelligence community.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/24/631870467/ryan-trump-threat-to-revoke-s
ecurity-clearances-is-trolling-people

T

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:21 AM

You Can’t Vote Out Fascism… You Have to Drive It From Power!
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/20/you-cant-vote-out-fascism-you-
have-to-drive-it-from-power/

I’ve been noticing a increasing phenomena on MSNBC and other mainstream media outlets: as the Trump/Pence regime resorts to ever more outrageous behavior, the various pundits—when asked to explain this or that monstrous action or statement—just shake their heads and admit that they’re simply baffled as to why anyone would do something so irrational, so clueless, so counterproductive, so cruel. There’s an unspoken implication that the regime can’t possibly understand what they’re actually doing?—?which in turn suggests that this can’t go on forever, that the whole thing will implode due to their painfully evident incompetence and/or thoughtlessness.

The first thing to point out is that the regime’s words and actions, insane as they might appear to any rational human being, are not arbitrary, and they’re not just bluster. These guys mean exactly what they say. From the very beginning, we’ve been told to take Trump’s words “seriously but not literally”, that he’s just “communicating with his base”, and that he’ll be reined in by the “adults in the room”, or maybe by our (increasingly mythical) “checks and balances”. These lines of reasoning start from the premise that Trump is just another corrupt far-right politician, deploying exagerrated rhetoric merely to get attention, while in fact staying within the boundaries of agreed-upon norms of civilized behavior. If we’ve learned anything in the last year and a half, it’s that this regime has no shame, no scruples, and no limits.

Fascist tendencies in right-wing politics are of course nothing new; it’s just that they were usually (mildly) disguised by coded language and “dog whistles”, allowing plausible deniability for politicians and their racist, xenophobic followers. But this regime is different. They’re not hiding it any more. This allows them to keep upping the ante. One consequence of this is that it leaves no middle ground: this is because anything short of driving them from power essentially means acquiescence and acceptance, and paves the ground for further atrocities.

The media’s failure to recognize these obvious facts points to some glaring limitations of their blinkered world view: they can’t understand, because they can’t let themselves understand. If they did, they would have to grapple with two simple facts: first, that the country is headed inexorably into full-on fascism; and second, that a massive sustained public uprising is the only thing that could stop this nightmare.

I know, I know: the midterms are only four months away, the blue wave, take back the house, that’s what we have to focus on. I’m sorry, but that’s bullshit. There’s five simple words that refute this course: You can’t vote out fascism. While it’s true that some of our commentariat are finally admitting that, hey, maybe these guys really are fascists, none of them can seem to make the mental leap to what that might imply as far as a viable strategy.

Look around, and ask yourself: what are these dirtbags willing to do to stay in power? The answer is obvious: anything. How did they achieve power in the first place? By cheating: gerrymandering, fraud, hacking, disenfranchisement, etc. Now they’ve been there for nearly two years. The Democrats won the 2016 election by three million votes, and look at where we are; do you really think 2018 is going to be any better? (And I won’t get into how ineffective the Democratic leadership has been; that’s a whole other can of worms.)

You know what a ratchet is, right? It’s got teeth that only allow motion in one direction. Try to go the other way, and nothing happens. That’s how fascist politics work. As long as everything is headed in the direction they want, they can keep up the pretense that nothing has changed, that this is still business as usual. But the minute that they start losing—in the courts, in the media, in elections, whatever—they pull out every trick in the boo

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 6:39 AM

Nobody is going to take anybody seriously that throws out words like fascism and regime when there is no fascist regime in their country.

You insult people who live in countries where fascist regimes are oppressing them, and you look like a spoiled little kid whining about your 1st World problems.

And I don't think you have a firm grasp on how a ratchet works.

Wow.... two complaints about the Electoral College in one day. Rachel Maddow must have brought it up again last night, huh?

Ask her why she never talked about it for 8 years when Obama was president.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

REAVERFAN

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 9:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody is going to take anybody seriously that throws out words like fascism and regime when there is no fascist regime in their country.

That's true in countries that aren't being taken over by blatantly fascist regimes.

Here in America, it's happening before our eyes.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-to-silicon-valley-promote-the-far-ri
ght-or-else

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody is going to take anybody seriously that throws out words like fascism and regime when there is no fascist regime in their country.

I think you are right in terms of Trump supporters.

Personally: If the Dems want to win more they need to stop being stereo typical liberals that undecideds and border line Trump supporters have a lack of patience for and a negative hair trigger against. That's a trap they'll never get out of. Maybe they'll win anyway by energizing the undecideds with their passion and beliefs, hard to say. I wouldn't trust it myself. Facts don't seem to matter to undecideds and Trump voters no matter how loud or compelling they're presented.

When I was a kid my oldest brother went to Vietnam War protests. I remember thinking, "why don't you wear a suit and even a tie and try and look more like them (republicans/conservatives/establishment). That way your conversations don't start with "get a hair cut you f*king goddamn hippy!" You'll never change someone's mind if you start out by pissing them off.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody is going to take anybody seriously that throws out words like fascism and regime when there is no fascist regime in their country.

I think you are right in terms of Trump supporters.

Personally: If the Dems want to win more they need to stop being stereo typical liberals that undecideds and border line Trump supporters have a lack of patience for and a negative hair trigger against. That's a trap they'll never get out of. Maybe they'll win anyway by energizing the undecideds with their passion and beliefs, hard to say. I wouldn't trust it myself. Facts don't seem to matter to undecideds and Trump voters no matter how loud or compelling they're presented.

When I was a kid my oldest brother went to Vietnam War protests. I remember thinking, "why don't you wear a suit and even a tie and try and look more like them (republicans/conservatives/establishment). That way your conversations don't start with "get a hair cut you f*king goddamn hippy!" You'll never change someone's mind if you start out by pissing them off.

Dale Carnegie 101.

What you've also got to understand though is that "facts" as you believe them to be might not actually be facts. Sure... You believe that they are, but you surround yourself with an equal and opposite echo chamber that Fox News viewers surround themselves with on a daily basis.

I think it's just as unfair to lump all of the undecideds in the same group as Trump Supporters as it would be to lump them in with Clinton supporters, in terms of willingness to believe the "facts".

It's really, really hard to determine what is a "fact" in 2018. Damn near impossible in a lot of cases. Objectivity in the media is dead. You'll often get two very different stories on a topic depending on where you get your news.

I'll never forget a very wise thing that my Uncle said to me when I was a kid stuck between two parents in a nasty divorce and I asked him which parent I should believe. "The truth is somewhere in the middle".

Words to live by, those.

But back to How to Win Friends and Influence People...

The Democrats might have an easier time getting more undecideds to get behind them if they weren't insulting and attacking anybody who doesn't fall in line with their way of thinking. Men in general, and whites in particular. The identity politics of the Democrats in 2018 need to stop. Even T will agree with me on this point.

Since we're in a time where determining what "the truth" is often requires a "leap of faith", it wouldn't hurt to be a bit more friendly when trying to persuade somebody to your side.

And it should be rather telling when the Democrats are having such a problem doing just that when somebody like Trump is on the other side of them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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