spin - aka 'news'

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SIGNYM

Monday, July 23, 2018 9:28 PM

I think none of you have any idea what Trump is doing, and why.

You're all so tied up with the idea that RUSSIA!!! is "somehow" going to "take over" the USA (if it already hasn't!!!) that you've lost sight of our REAL problems; the biggest one being that we have absolutely nothing to back our "petrodollar", and when our important trading partners stop accepting our worthless promises for their real goods, we're hosed.

What I don't understand is how all this paranoia about RUSSIA!!! managed to worm its way in so deeply. I'll bet NONE of you can describe the arena where Russia is our biggest threat, just as none of you can describe our American interests. Because you can't describe what our interests are, you have no idea how we're actually being threatened.

The deep state's/ neocon's position is that every place on the globe represents some sort of existential interest. You're so used to reacting to "crises" in faraway places that "must" be answered ... SYRIA!! UKRAINE!!! IRAQ!!! AFGHANISTAN!!! MOLDOVA!! BALUCHISTAN!! ... that if ANTARCTICA!!! or MARS!!! .... were slipped in, you'd be stressing about that too, if the media told you to!

RUSSIA!!! is not the source of our biggest problems. It is not an economic or even financial threat (China, the EU, and the BIS are more problematic) and it is NOT about to re-create the old Soviet Union. But it CAN existentially threaten us in two ways

(1) Nuclear war, and
(2) Cyberwar.

Reagan did an excellent job reducing the risk of threat(1) thru negotiation (which the neocons and deep-staters have been seeking to reverse ever since). I suggest that negotiation be re-started with the purpose of reducing our risk of nuclear annihilation, even from space.

As far as cyberwarfare is concerned, the USA's dependence on compromised operating systems like Microsoft - altho it allowed the NSA convenient access to those systems - represent a huge security risk for the many institutions and businesses that use them, not only via cyberwarfare but also criminal enterprises. If our many institutions and businesses ... utilities and grid operators, banks and financial centers, hospitals, military bases, government centers .... are too greedy or cheap to harden their systems against criminal or malicious interference (There should be a process by which a system, if compromised, can be broken down into local parts and placed under manual control) ... well then, whose fault is that? In any case, our NSA supposedly has their own cyberweaponry at the ready, so at this moment we're probably at the "mutually assured destruction" stage, and maybe negotiation is the best way to manage that. However, we would need to include other advanced nations because, unlike nuclear weapons, cyberweapons are cheap to make and the barrier to entry is low. We would need to account for criminal enterprises as well as "state actors".

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So keep your eyes on the four of five balls that really matter and the spin won't bother you so much.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

THG

Monday, July 23, 2018 11:09 PM

Sig suggests that nobody here really knows what Trump is doing. Even though we have been posting about his disastrous swamp filling decisions on who will help him run the country. His destroying all our relationships with our allies around the world, as well as destroying jobs in America with his trade wars. Trade wars that encourage our trading partners to find others to trade with. Like china and Russia.

And on and on and on. All this while Sig and a few other morons here defend him. Fuck you comrade sig.

T

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 2:51 AM

meanwhile

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 2:58 AM

In their own words:

If it weren’t for President Obama we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set up a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today including Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place. (Clapper)

because ... Obama?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 3:23 AM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-butina-exclusive/exclusi
ve-accused-russian-agent-butina-met-with-u-s-treasury-fed-officials-idUSKBN1KC0DC in 2015

Exclusive: Alleged Russian agent Butina met with U.S. Treasury, Fed officials in 2015

Maria Butina ... had wider high-level contacts in Washington than previously known, taking part in 2015 meetings between a visiting Russian official and two senior U.S. officials.

The meetings, disclosed by several people familiar with the sessions and a report prepared by a Washington think tank that arranged them, involved Stanley Fischer, then Federal Reserve vice chairman, and Nathan Sheets, then Treasury undersecretary for international affairs. The two meetings, which have not been previously reported, reveal a wider circle of high-powered connections that Butina sought with American political leaders and special interest groups.

because ... Obama?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:02 AM

historical facts:

During the 2016 election, Brennan was head of the CIA. James Clapper was director of national intelligence. James Comey headed the FBI, following Robert Mueller into the job.

because ... Obama?

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

THG

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 6:13 AM

Do you think kiki knows she is an audience of one.

T

SIGNYM

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 7:50 AM

Quote:
Sig suggests that nobody here really knows what Trump is doing.

And sorry but, no, you DON'T know what Trump is really doing! All you "know" is what the media has told you, which is 45% nothing-burger, 45% breathless hysteria, 5% heavily-selected "facts" and 5% lies. You're triggered by everything he tweets and have lost sight of important trends.

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So.

N Korea is dismantling their nuclear facilities. Did you know that?

Peace is about to break out in Syria, which Israel is going to recognize.

The NATO nations might, for the first time ever, be required to ante up their share of the bill for "mutual" self-defense.

The United States is STILL not in the TTP/ TTIP and as a result continues to have sovereignty over its environmental and labor laws, and NAFTA is being slow-walked to the death chamber.

Trump is attempting to put our oil and natgas resources at the base for our dollar's value.

Trump is also fighting the "intelligence community", which has screwed up our foreign policy time and time again in favor of everyone EXCEPT the United States!

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Now, there are a lot of things that Trump is doing (such as the "trickle-down" tax cut and environmental policy) which I strongly disagree with.

I think we urgently need a return to Glass Steagall.

But my disapproval of Trump, like my disapproval of Bill Clinton, has nothing to do with RUSSIA!!! or personal foibles or even financial crimes, but with POLICY ... something that you seem to be entirely unfamiliar with.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

1KIKI

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:41 AM

Cyberwarfare - I think that's a nothing burger. Sure, it could make life very uncomfortable for a while. But to me, nothing says 'irreversible' like pasting a blue Cherenkov radioactive glow on the planet.

Everything - and I mean everything - that Trump decides - the good, the bad, the middling - looks pretty short-term and reversible - except nuclear war.

People need to chill about all the non-nuclear-war nothingburgers.

Nuclear war is our only serious, immediate, death-knell threat.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, July 24, 2018 4:37 PM

Quote:

Do you think kiki knows she is an audience of one.

I'm the only one?

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