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Quote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/north-korea-blo
Trump cancels summit with North Korea's Kim
SEOUL - President Trump called off a planned summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un due to what he said was Kim's "tremendous anger and open hostility," even after North Korea followed through on a pledge to blow up tunnels at its nuclear test site.
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Well, THAT didn't last long! It'll be interesting to hear the Trump supporters (who claim that the peace talks have already happened and that an agreement was already hammered out) explain THIS away.
To some extent I agree with KIKI: The NK'ans couldn't use their test facility anyway, and their very public destruction of it was simply giving up a dead-ish point under the most favorable of circumstances: to pressure the USA into giving something else up as well. But Pence's shooting off at the mouth I think kind of scotched the deal, especially his reference to Libya, which famously gave up its nuclear ambitions only to be destroyed by the west anyway.
Well, Pence was never really on Team Trump anyway. I have heard that there are still deep-staters in the bureaucracy and the WH; Pence may have torpedoed the talks on purpose.
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Donald Trump’s surprise cancellation of a planned summit with Kim Jong Un via a plaintive letter on White House stationary Thursday (May 23) quickly became a joke in the US Senate and the subject of mocking editorial cartoons. But the move reportedly was a complete shock to Kim’s government, and may put a group of foreign reporters inside the country at risk; North Korea has a history of taking hostages.
Negotiating with North Korea’s volatile dictator, as anyone with any knowledge about the Korean peninsula could tell you, was always going to be fraught with pitfalls. Further complicating matters, advisors within the White House seemed split on how to handle Kim, and the US president insists in general on ignoring diplomatic experts.
So where was Trump taking his cues from on North Korea? Famously, a handful of opinionated television and radio personalities exercise an out-sized influence on the US president. Trump finds Fox News’ coverage of his administration so soothing that his press office makes sure that he barely watches anything else, New York magazine reported this month. Trump calls talk show host Sean Hannity as often as several times a day.
These shows urged the president to trumpet his success with North Korea diplomacy, even though the tricky details of the meeting were never worked out. Ahead of today’s debacle, a succession of opinionated Fox hosts crowed that Trump had succeeded in ‘bringing Kim to the table,’ by agreeing to a meeting, and speculated on whether the president would win a Nobel Peace Prize.
“It was Trump’s genius and crippling economic sanctions that brought this dictator to his knees,” said Fox’s Jeanine Pirro in March. North Korea is “signaling a willingness to hold talks,” said Laura Ingraham in March.“You think that would have happened without Trump’s tough talk and reiterating that all options were on the table? Never. So much for the experts,” she said. Trump is seeing “significant progress” in his diplomacy with North Korea, Sean Hannity said in April.
But years of recent, readily available history show that the Kim regime has often been eager to negotiate deals with past US administrations. The hard part has always been agreeing to and enforcing the details of any accord, as Fox’s own reporters know.
The Trump administration apparently failed to hammer out key details before any meeting date was announced, including what each side meant by denuclearization, the time frame for denuclearization, and how soon North Korea would be rewarded. Officials should have also mapped out what exactly the two leaders would discuss, and how US allies would support US positions.
Instead, Trump was reportedly planning to wing it. His top officials weren’t even on the same page earlier this month, with national security Advisor John Bolton publicly discussing different priorities than secretary of state Mike Pompeo, and mentioning a “Libya model.” (Libyan dictator Muammar al-Qaddafi was killed by his own people after a US-backed invasion.)
North Korea lashed out in response, calling Bolton “repugnant” and leaving Trump little to say on May 16, except that it “may not work out.”
In recent days, Kim’s regime essentially ghosted the Trump administration by not responding to messages. After vice president Mike Pence publicly compared North Korea to Libya this week, its vice foreign minister called Pence a “dummy” and threatened to make the US taste an “appalling tragedy,” an apparent reference to a military strike.
“Trump fell into delusions of grandeur that he would be the guy” to solve North Korea, said Robert E. Kelly, a political science professor at Pusan National University. “The right-wing media bubble in which he operates mirrored that back to him, creating wildly unreal expectations.”
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Quote:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/trump-style-sol
'Trump-style solution'? North Korea says still open to talks after summit canceled
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Well! It seems KJU is just as unpredictable as DJT!
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Originally posted by second:
In recent days, Kim’s regime essentially ghosted the Trump administration by not responding to messages. After vice president Mike Pence publicly compared North Korea to Libya this week, its vice foreign minister called Pence a “dummy” and threatened to make the US taste an “appalling tragedy,” an apparent reference to a military strike.
Article written by a child, or by an adult still trying to pretend that they are one.
I've never heard anybody over 25 years old use that term before, let alone somebody who wasn't a douchebag youtube and/or reality star.
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Quote:An article written by a child, you say? Try another (then complain about its British spelling, 6ixStringJack):
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In recent days, Kim’s regime essentially ghosted the Trump administration by not responding to messages. After vice president Mike Pence publicly compared North Korea to Libya this week, its vice foreign minister called Pence a “dummy” and threatened to make the US taste an “appalling tragedy,” an apparent reference to a military strike.
Article written by a child, or by an adult still trying to pretend that they are one.
I've never heard anybody over 25 years old use that term before, let alone somebody who wasn't a douchebag youtube and/or reality star.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
It soon became apparent Trump had no grasp of the North Korean interpretation of what denuclearisation meant.
Between March and May, Trump is reported to have spent little time grappling with the details of how a negotiation might work, focusing instead on the pageantry of the occasion and the staged release of details for the press.
In the vacuum, members of his administration went their own way. His new national security adviser, John Bolton, set out maximalist demands for an immediate surrender of North Korea’s nuclear warheads and related equipment, which were to be shipped out to the US.
The secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, who met Kim face-to-face on two occasions, alternated between insistence on this all-in-one option and a more phased approach. Trump himself signalled he would be ready to accept the latter, exposing some of the US negotiating strategy, such as it was.
Into this swirl, Bolton casually tossed a diplomatic grenade, telling a television interviewer that the US would use the “Libyan model” to approach North Korean disarmament. He had in mind Muammar Gaddafi’s agreement to dismantle and hand over the rudimentary and fledgling nuclear weapons programme at the end of 2003.
To Pyongyang, mention of the Libyan model served as a reminder that eight years after giving up his programme, Gaddafi was overthrown and murdered. Trump and the vice-president, Mike Pence, deepened that impression by warning Kim he would face the same fate as Gaddafi if he did not make a deal.
The threat drew predictable outrage from North Korea – which Trump presented as the reason for aborting the summit.
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/24/trump-kim-north-korea-summit-tra
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An article written by a child, you say? Try another (then complain about its British spelling, 6ixStringJack):
Why would I do that. Any of the words we spell differently are because we're spelling them wrong.
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The Swedes might announce soon: We are honored to give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize for pulling out of the Iran Deal, moving his embassy to Jerusalem, making death threats against all North Koreans and impulsively canceling the Singapore Peace Summit when Kim Jong-un reacts to Trump’s threats. Once again, it’s Trump big talk that accomplishes nothing. It’s all Trump has ever been good at.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/on-the-border-trump-is-both-cru
el-and-incompetent/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
The Swedes might announce soon: We are honored to give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize for pulling out of the Iran Deal, moving his embassy to Jerusalem, making death threats against all North Koreans and impulsively canceling the Singapore Peace Summit when Kim Jong-un reacts to Trump’s threats. Once again, it’s Trump big talk that accomplishes nothing. It’s all Trump has ever been good at.
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/on-the-border-trump-is-both-cru
el-and-incompetent/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Great. We can have two Presidents in a row receive the Nobel Peace Prize that did nothing to deserve it.
Hey. Maybe we could bump somebody off the list that got it before and retroactively give GWB one too, since apparently it means nothing anymore.
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Somewhere in SECOND's multiple complaints about Trump was one on the ZTE deal. I can't find it now, but SECOND was convinced that it had to do with a $500 million Chinese loan to one of Trumps' ventures, in Indonesia I believe. I thought it had more to do with bringing North Korea back to the table.
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Just hours after North Korea came creeping back to the negotiating table with President Trump - following his cancellation of the Kim Summit talks, comments that he suspected China was behind Kim's change of heart, and chatter that Trump "would take a much harder line on China" - Fox News reports that a "tentative" deal has been reached with China's President Xi over the giant Chinese telecoms company ZTE.
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Originally posted by THGRRI: Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:09 PM
This came out of nowhere. It appears Trump suggested to the South Koreans this should happen. He spoke to no one before hand. No advisors or anyone knowledgeable about North Korea to see if this was a good idea. He just set it up.
Bam, North Korea jumped at it. Trump had said the North had to denuclearize before talks. I guess he changed his mind.
Don't misunderstand, I want a miracle here. I am rooting Trump succeeds. I just don't' see it. He can't even negotiate successfully with a porn star. So far every foreign leader he has meet with has cleaned his clock.
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