Real World Event Discussions
A thread for Democrats Only
POSTED BY: THGRRI
UPDATED: Sunday, September 6, 2026 15:36
VIEWED: 755368
PAGE 99 of 725
Thursday, May 3, 2018 9:08 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
6ixStringJack, I am still waiting for you to acknowledge that the USA did not need to build 50,000 nukes costing $trillions (I am ignoring that the $trillions are in some wealthy person's portfolio; he doesn't see it as wasted). The USA could have stopped after building only hundreds.
Sure. I'll acknowledge this. I've never been a warhawk, I don't trust our government at all, and I'm always bashing them for inappropriate use of taxpayer dollars. This fits all three.
That's not your original argument though. You're moving the goalposts again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Friday, May 4, 2018 12:04 AM
Quote:Where the fuck did you get the idea you can believable claim to be no warhawk and still voted for Trump? He was saying he would nuke ISIS while he was running for President. I, on the other hand, am a real warhawk, but I'd never vote for a fucking idiot who would kill the wrong people out of stupidity: Middle East civilian deaths have soared under Trump. And the media mostly shrug.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Sure. I'll acknowledge this. I've never been a warhawk, I don't trust our government at all, and I'm always bashing them for inappropriate use of taxpayer dollars. This fits all three.
That's not your original argument though. You're moving the goalposts again.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
The numbers are shocking — or at least they should be.
2017 was the deadliest year for civilian casualties in Iraq and Syria, with as many as 6,000 people killed in strikes conducted by the U.S.-led coalition, according to the watchdog group Airwars.
That is an increase of more than 200 percent over the previous year.
It is far more if you add in countries like Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia and many others.
But the subject, considered a stain on President Barack Obama’s legacy even by many of his supporters, has almost dropped off the map.
Obsessed with the seemingly daily updates in the Stormy Daniels story or the impeachment potential of the Russia investigation, the American media is paying even less attention now to a topic it never focused on with much zeal.
“The media has unfortunately been so distracted by the chaos of the Trump administration and allegations of the president’s collusion with Russia that it’s neglected to look closely at the things he’s actually doing already,” said Daphne Eviatar, a director of Amnesty International USA.
That includes, she said, “hugely expanding the use of drone and airstrikes, including outside of war zones, and increasing civilian casualties in the process.”
Trump, of course, was a candidate who promised to “bomb the shit out of ’em [Islamic State],” and has since declared victory over the terrorist organization, while continuing to drop bombs.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Friday, May 4, 2018 1:26 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Where the fuck did you get the idea you can believable claim to be no warhawk and still voted for Trump?
LOL. Hillary was actively trying to ram her 16" black strap-on cock up Putin's ass on live TV.
I didn't have any problems with the Russians at that time, and I still don't.
Muslims, however, have been a problem and continue to be one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Friday, May 4, 2018 5:34 PM
Quote:There are many Americans, like 6ix, who express themselves in the same way about Hillary and Muslims. Trump is one. Trump is hopeless, but it has never been worth my effort to convince Trump voters, and 6ix was one, that they live in an alternate reality. In my opinion anybody is nuts who believed Trump. That holds true even if they eventually turn against him because he beat the truth about himself into their head with too many repetitions of "No Collusion" and "Believe Me". There is a nice little article about the deranged everyday-in-every-way thinking of the majority: How America Lost Its Mind.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Where the fuck did you get the idea you can believable claim to be no warhawk and still voted for Trump?
LOL. Hillary was actively trying to ram her 16" black strap-on cock up Putin's ass on live TV.
I didn't have any problems with the Russians at that time, and I still don't.
Muslims, however, have been a problem and continue to be one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231/
How widespread is this promiscuous devotion to the untrue? How many Americans now inhabit alternate realities? Any given survey of beliefs is only a sketch of what people in general really think. But reams of survey research from the past 20 years reveal a rough, useful census of American credulity and delusion. By my reckoning, the solidly reality-based are a minority, maybe a third of us but almost certainly fewer than half. Only a third of us, for instance, don’t believe that the tale of creation in Genesis is the word of God. Only a third strongly disbelieve in telepathy and ghosts. Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” More than half say they’re absolutely certain heaven exists, and just as many are sure of the existence of a personal God—not a vague force or universal spirit or higher power, but some guy. A third of us believe not only that global warming is no big deal but that it’s a hoax perpetrated by scientists, the government, and journalists. A third believe that our earliest ancestors were humans just like us; that the government has, in league with the pharmaceutical industry, hidden evidence of natural cancer cures; that extraterrestrials have visited or are visiting Earth. Almost a quarter believe that vaccines cause autism, and that Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2016. A quarter believe that our previous president maybe or definitely was (or is?) the anti-Christ. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, 15 percent believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” and another 15 percent think that’s possible. A quarter of Americans believe in witches. Remarkably, the same fraction, or maybe less, believes that the Bible consists mainly of legends and fables—the same proportion that believes U.S. officials were complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Friday, May 4, 2018 5:55 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
How widespread is this promiscuous devotion to the untrue? How many Americans now inhabit alternate realities? Any given survey of beliefs is only a sketch of what people in general really think. But reams of survey research from the past 20 years reveal a rough, useful census of American credulity and delusion. By my reckoning, the solidly reality-based are a minority, maybe a third of us but almost certainly fewer than half. Only a third of us, for instance, don’t believe that the tale of creation in Genesis is the word of God. Only a third strongly disbelieve in telepathy and ghosts. Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” More than half say they’re absolutely certain heaven exists, and just as many are sure of the existence of a personal God—not a vague force or universal spirit or higher power, but some guy. A third of us believe not only that global warming is no big deal but that it’s a hoax perpetrated by scientists, the government, and journalists. A third believe that our earliest ancestors were humans just like us; that the government has, in league with the pharmaceutical industry, hidden evidence of natural cancer cures; that extraterrestrials have visited or are visiting Earth. Almost a quarter believe that vaccines cause autism, and that Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2016. A quarter believe that our previous president maybe or definitely was (or is?) the anti-Christ. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, 15 percent believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” and another 15 percent think that’s possible. A quarter of Americans believe in witches. Remarkably, the same fraction, or maybe less, believes that the Bible consists mainly of legends and fables—the same proportion that believes U.S. officials were complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
Which is why I say we get the government we deserve, and that one of the most telling truths about The Trump presidency, is that the majority of people in this country are pinheads.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 5, 2018 12:32 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are many Americans, like 6ix, who express themselves in the same way about Hillary and Muslims. Trump is one. Trump is hopeless, but it has never been worth my effort to convince Trump voters, and 6ix was one, that they live in an alternate reality. In my opinion anybody is nuts who believed Trump. That holds true even if they eventually turn against him because he beat the truth about himself into their head with too many repetitions of "No Collusion" and "Believe Me". There is a nice little article about the deranged everyday-in-every-way thinking of the majority: How America Lost Its Mind.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Where the fuck did you get the idea you can believable claim to be no warhawk and still voted for Trump?
LOL. Hillary was actively trying to ram her 16" black strap-on cock up Putin's ass on live TV.
I didn't have any problems with the Russians at that time, and I still don't.
Muslims, however, have been a problem and continue to be one.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231/
How widespread is this promiscuous devotion to the untrue? How many Americans now inhabit alternate realities? Any given survey of beliefs is only a sketch of what people in general really think. But reams of survey research from the past 20 years reveal a rough, useful census of American credulity and delusion. By my reckoning, the solidly reality-based are a minority, maybe a third of us but almost certainly fewer than half. Only a third of us, for instance, don’t believe that the tale of creation in Genesis is the word of God. Only a third strongly disbelieve in telepathy and ghosts. Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” More than half say they’re absolutely certain heaven exists, and just as many are sure of the existence of a personal God—not a vague force or universal spirit or higher power, but some guy. A third of us believe not only that global warming is no big deal but that it’s a hoax perpetrated by scientists, the government, and journalists. A third believe that our earliest ancestors were humans just like us; that the government has, in league with the pharmaceutical industry, hidden evidence of natural cancer cures; that extraterrestrials have visited or are visiting Earth. Almost a quarter believe that vaccines cause autism, and that Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2016. A quarter believe that our previous president maybe or definitely was (or is?) the anti-Christ. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, 15 percent believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” and another 15 percent think that’s possible. A quarter of Americans believe in witches. Remarkably, the same fraction, or maybe less, believes that the Bible consists mainly of legends and fables—the same proportion that believes U.S. officials were complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
And you live in the alternate reality where you can immediately judge whether a person is Good or Evil simply by if they are Democrat or Republican.
Simple lives for simple minds.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 5, 2018 1:40 PM
Quote:This puts me solidly in the category of the reality-based.
Originally posted by second:
There are many Americans, like 6ix, who express themselves in the same way about Hillary and Muslims. Trump is one. Trump is hopeless, but it has never been worth my effort to convince Trump voters, and 6ix was one, that they live in an alternate reality. In my opinion anybody is nuts who believed Trump. That holds true even if they eventually turn against him because he beat the truth about himself into their head with too many repetitions of "No Collusion" and "Believe Me". There is a nice little article about the deranged everyday-in-every-way thinking of the majority: How America Lost Its Mind.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/09/how-america-lost-its-mind
/534231/
How widespread is this promiscuous devotion to the untrue? How many Americans now inhabit alternate realities? Any given survey of beliefs is only a sketch of what people in general really think. But reams of survey research from the past 20 years reveal a rough, useful census of American credulity and delusion. By my reckoning, the solidly reality-based are a minority, maybe a third of us but almost certainly fewer than half. Only a third of us, for instance, don’t believe that the tale of creation in Genesis is the word of God. Only a third strongly disbelieve in telepathy and ghosts. Two-thirds of Americans believe that “angels and demons are active in the world.” More than half say they’re absolutely certain heaven exists, and just as many are sure of the existence of a personal God—not a vague force or universal spirit or higher power, but some guy. A third of us believe not only that global warming is no big deal but that it’s a hoax perpetrated by scientists, the government, and journalists. A third believe that our earliest ancestors were humans just like us; that the government has, in league with the pharmaceutical industry, hidden evidence of natural cancer cures; that extraterrestrials have visited or are visiting Earth. Almost a quarter believe that vaccines cause autism, and that Donald Trump won the popular vote in 2016. A quarter believe that our previous president maybe or definitely was (or is?) the anti-Christ. According to a survey by Public Policy Polling, 15 percent believe that the “media or the government adds secret mind-controlling technology to television broadcast signals,” and another 15 percent think that’s possible. A quarter of Americans believe in witches. Remarkably, the same fraction, or maybe less, believes that the Bible consists mainly of legends and fables—the same proportion that believes U.S. officials were complicit in the 9/11 attacks.
And yet, I voted against Hillary.
And watching the Deep State go to work against the result of the democratic vote, I was right. Anyone who is with them, as Hilliary was, is not for us.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 5, 2018 3:49 PM
Quote:I decided Trump was substandard sometime before the 2016 Primary in my state.
Originally posted by second:Quote:JewelStaiteFan, since when did you decide Trump is indecent?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you still ill? Get well soon.
You posting facts and reason is a bit unsettling.
Of course it was widespread concern that Trump had no muzzle and no clue about National Security. But at least he didn't pull a Hilliary and commit Treason by revealing National Security Secrets on Prime Time nationwide broadcast TV during their Debate.
To be very clear, I am glad Israel is no longer sharing Intelligence with us, at least until we get a decent White House resident. I hope they get all they can from us on the fronts of political, economic, military, etc.
What did Trump do to change your mind?
I can't find any Texas Republican voters that share your low opinion of Trump.
JewelStaiteFan, could you expand upon your comment "Hilliary commits Treason by revealing National Security Secrets on Prime Time nationwide broadcast TV during their Debate"? Because all I can find is that is false. It is an untruth. A fake report: www.snopes.com/fact-check/homeland-security-indicts-hillary/
I have not changed my mind about Trump.
If looking for Trump doubters, check with Conservatives.
Hilliary's Treason? You must be joking. Anybody who imagines you are serious can easily answer.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 5, 2018 6:24 PM
Quote:Voting against Hillary is perfectly rational for either a Russian troll or a Ralph Nader, who is both anti-GOP & anti-Dem. Hillary is an annoyance for Putin, while Trump is his "friend". But I see that Trump is reactivating the 2nd Fleet to face Russian threat. It's another waste of Defense Dept money so that Trump can give the illusion that he is not really being blackmailed by Putin.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
This puts me solidly in the category of the reality-based.
And yet, I voted against Hillary.
And watching the Deep State go to work against the result of the democratic vote, I was right. Anyone who is with them, as Hilliary was, is not for us.
https://news.usni.org/2018/05/04/navy-reestablishes-2nd-fleet-plan-cal
ls-for-250-person-command-in-norfolk
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Saturday, May 5, 2018 6:27 PM
Quote:I have to admit that not all Republicans are prima facie crazy. The rich Republicans certainly know what they are doing. The poor who voted for Trump? Not so much.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And you live in the alternate reality where you can immediately judge whether a person is Good or Evil simply by if they are Democrat or Republican.
Simple lives for simple minds.
But what is going on with you? Does the delicate little snowflake 6ixStringJack melt when his core beliefs are rejected with contempt? Too bad for the unworkable delusions haunting your brain. Here is another delusion being backed by Republicans:
The rationale behind super-majority laws
https://qz.com/1245033
Supermajority bills were heralded as ways to ultimately improve economic growth, and force lawmakers to spend money more wisely. The idea is often buttressed by some variation of the “trickle down” theory of economics—cutting taxes encourages businesses to invest and hire more, and people with disposable income to spend more.
The economic reality
Making it harder to raise taxes hasn’t necessarily resulted in the economic growth or wiser spending that it was supposed to, however. While states that passed supermajority tax laws spent about 2% less on general state funding, that was offset by local spending (ie. from villages, cities, and counties), an Urban Institute report found (pdf, pg. 64).
There’s a broader lesson about “trickle down” economics that the US seems to be learning again and again, since the phrase was first coined to mock president Herbert Hoover’s depression-era tax plan. “We’ve got a good base of evidence from tax cutting in the states that shows tax cuts are not a recipe for economic growth,” said Johnson. “They just lead to reductions in services that people need.”
The Result:
On May 3, teachers in Arizona ended a six-day walkout after the state government agreed to a 20% salary raise over the next three years. While it sounds like a lot, it’s much less than what teachers were originally asking: Overall, Arizona’s school funding is still below the levels of the 2008 recession, later raises are not guaranteed, and they’re being financed by cash set aside to clean up pollution.
Striking teachers believe they may be the forefront of a new grassroots movement in the US, one that makes voters reconsider taxing companies and the wealthy.
Some teachers who were on strike have adopted a new chant as they come off: “Vote them out.” They intend to go to the polls in huge numbers in the mid-term election, and vote against candidate running on platforms of tax cuts and caps.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME