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My first problem with The Wall is the idea is Trump's. If you need help *decoding* that I can't help you.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
1) If physical barriers make no difference at all,
Hyperbole alert: Who said that? "no problem at all" ? Of course any physical barrier would impede travel, but could they just go around? Would the wall that can be built (budget allocated) do what it's proponents say it would do, or would the structure be only half what is required and therefore in the end a huge waste?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
2) If it "won't work", why get so upset about it in the first place? Why fight something so hard that's irrelevant in the first place? And if they're so patriotically concerned about "waste", why not focus on things that are a lot more wasteful, like the F-35 or our endless wars in the .... well, everywhere?
People are so illogical.
Logic alert: Can't people do all of those things? Or should we only object to one thing at a time?
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
My first problem with The Wall is the idea is Trump's.
LOL... no it isn't.
If you meant to say that you don't support anything that he's in favor of, then that would be accurate.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Copied from the other thread, Unemployment Rate Facts:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
"If 1% are legitimately needy and over 14% are participating" cite?
I'm curious what the actual numbers are.
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Obama got a late start in 2009, but kicked off 2017 with plenty of waste. From the years of Obamanomics 2009-2017, adding up all the participants comes to 391,601,000 participant-years. Accounting for 34% of the entire lifetime of the freeloading program.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Here is a linky to the Food Stamp data, recipients and expenditures. Apparently Libtards have been feverishly denying any and all numbers in this report, since it reflects badly upon Obama.
https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/pd/SNAPsummary.pdf
The grand total of Food Stamp participants before Obama was only 749,396,000 from 1969-2008 (40 years).
The 16 years prior to Obamanomics (1993-2008) totalled 380,853,000.
The first 34 years of Food Stamps (1969-1992) summed to 368,543,000.
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Where does your 1% number keep coming from? I've never seen that percentage anywhere except for when you've said it.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
LOL... no it isn't.
LOL
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is an experiment that is well worth running to prove a point. The USA has run similar expensive experiments in the past, spending trillions of dollars on H-bombs that cannot be used. That is trillions on wars that cannot be won, if you want to be technical.
Our nuclear arsenal needed to be created since Russia would be the only government with one at the time if we hadn't done it. I imagine the world would be a much different place in that alternate universe, and the globes there would be unrecognizable to us here.
There's a difference between passively and actively making use of something. To say that the money spent on the arsenal was a complete waste is overlooking the potential passive power those nukes represented. This wasn't money spent on wars that could be won. It was money spent in hopes of ensuring these wars never begin in the first place.
Granted, things get a little fuzzy when you throw brainwashed ideologues with no sense of self preservation into the mix.Quote:
The USA is no safer than countries that have spent far less. Even countries that spent nothing on H-bombs are just as safe.
This is true, kind of. Having at least two super powers with these arsenals pretty much ensures that they won't ever actually be used for fear of mutually ensured destruction.
It stands to reason that there are going to be a lot of small countries and third world shitholes that benefit from this without having had to invest in the tech.Quote:
I say that Trump should deport the illegals and build the wall. Then we would have tangible proof that it either does or does not make the USA better. It is the same kind of proof the USA got from building H-bombs. And at least we will be able to see the Texas/Mexico wall and see all the empty apartments where illegals had once lived and see what our $150 per citizen was spent upon. When did you last see proof that all the $trillions were spent "usefully" on H-bombs? It has been decades since the last mushroom cloud. For all we know, the actual mightiness of the USA's nuclear arsenal is smaller than that of France's arsenal, but the USA's cost is a thousand times larger. The USA's nuclear arsenal costs more every year than the one time cost for deporting all illegals plus the price for the Texas/Mexico wall.
The fact that it has been decades since the last mushroom cloud, coupled with the fact that we're not all saying the Russian Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school is proof enough that the money was well spent.
What you're suggesting here is just throwing massive amounts of money away on something that won't work, and I suspect by your attitude about it that you believe it will fail as much as I do and you want a Republican President to be the one to waste all of that money that could be much better spent fixing our infrastructure or stimulating our economy in some other meaningful way.
Because of the tech available to us today, there is no reason for a physical barrier. Tweak a few existing laws and enforce the laws we already have today and the issue becomes moot.
This is strictly an ROI issue. Nobody is going to want to come here illegally if we don't give them any beneficial reasons to do so.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
When Russia and the USA got to the 100,000th megaton H-bomb, the world wasn’t any safer than it was at the 1,000th kiloton atom-bomb. But the bomb-makers were much-much richer. It is all about making the most money possible. The 99,000 extra and unusable bombs did not give the USA more prestige and didn’t intimidate Russia into not destroying the USA. It was the first few hundred bombs providing all the prestige and intimidation needed. The Republican voters, one of these days, will realize that their GOP Congressmen are conning them into paying for more H-bombs, by a factor of 100, then are needed to intimidate the Russians.
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Trump had casually blabbed about intelligence from overseas allies on two occasions last year. The most important one was when he regaled the Russian ambassador about the intel that led to an alert concerning a potential laptop bomb being smuggled onto an airline. A reader writes to tell me that as bad as this episode was, it was actually far worse:
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/has-israel-stopped-sharing-inte
l-with-the-trump-administration/
The US obtained this intelligence from Israel. What is now known to the general public is that Israel had succeeded in placing a listening device in an ISIS safe house deep in Syria, at great risk, and was listening in on everything ISIS was planning from that location. Trump revealed this intelligence to Kislyak and Lavarov during that infamous Oval Office meeting in which he also bragged about firing James Comey the day before. His revelation essentially blew the intelligence operation; the listening device the Israelis had placed went dead shortly after.
A few weeks ago I heard Ronen Bergman speak to a group of about 50 people, mostly Israelis. He is Israel’s leading national security journalist, and recently published an incredible book called Rise and Kill First, a history of the Israeli security services. He wouldn’t get into details about what Trump told the Russians during that Oval Office meeting, but he said it was “much worse” than what is “publicly” known, and that Trump essentially revealed the “crown jewels” of Israeli intelligence operational methods in Syria. He said the Israeli intelligence community is absolutely livid; has come to the conclusion that the administration is “chaotic” and absolutely cannot be trusted with any sensitive information; and will not reveal to the Americans any information unless it doesn’t care whether such information is publicly known. He said this is an absolute sea change from all past administrations both Republican and Democratic. Before this, Israel has always shared without hesitation intelligence information with the US that it doesn’t share with any other country.
When my right-wing Republican Jewish Coalition friends tell me how great Trump is for Israel, it absolutely makes my blood boil, because it’s so demonstrably untrue.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:Are you still ill? Get well soon.
Originally posted by second:
Trump had casually blabbed about intelligence from overseas allies on two occasions last year. The most important one was when he regaled the Russian ambassador about the intel that led to an alert concerning a potential laptop bomb being smuggled onto an airline. A reader writes to tell me that as bad as this episode was, it was actually far worse:
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/05/has-israel-stopped-sharing-inte
l-with-the-trump-administration/
The US obtained this intelligence from Israel. What is now known to the general public is that Israel had succeeded in placing a listening device in an ISIS safe house deep in Syria, at great risk, and was listening in on everything ISIS was planning from that location. Trump revealed this intelligence to Kislyak and Lavarov during that infamous Oval Office meeting in which he also bragged about firing James Comey the day before. His revelation essentially blew the intelligence operation; the listening device the Israelis had placed went dead shortly after.
A few weeks ago I heard Ronen Bergman speak to a group of about 50 people, mostly Israelis. He is Israel’s leading national security journalist, and recently published an incredible book called Rise and Kill First, a history of the Israeli security services. He wouldn’t get into details about what Trump told the Russians during that Oval Office meeting, but he said it was “much worse” than what is “publicly” known, and that Trump essentially revealed the “crown jewels” of Israeli intelligence operational methods in Syria. He said the Israeli intelligence community is absolutely livid; has come to the conclusion that the administration is “chaotic” and absolutely cannot be trusted with any sensitive information; and will not reveal to the Americans any information unless it doesn’t care whether such information is publicly known. He said this is an absolute sea change from all past administrations both Republican and Democratic. Before this, Israel has always shared without hesitation intelligence information with the US that it doesn’t share with any other country.
When my right-wing Republican Jewish Coalition friends tell me how great Trump is for Israel, it absolutely makes my blood boil, because it’s so demonstrably untrue.
You posting facts and reason is a bit unsettling.
Of course it was widespread concern that Trump had no muzzle and no clue about National Security. But at least he didn't pull a Hilliary and commit Treason by revealing National Security Secrets on Prime Time nationwide broadcast TV during their Debate.
To be very clear, I am glad Israel is no longer sharing Intelligence with us, at least until we get a decent White House resident. I hope they get all they can from us on the fronts of political, economic, military, etc.
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Quote:JewelStaiteFan, since when did you decide Trump is indecent?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you still ill? Get well soon.
You posting facts and reason is a bit unsettling.
Of course it was widespread concern that Trump had no muzzle and no clue about National Security. But at least he didn't pull a Hilliary and commit Treason by revealing National Security Secrets on Prime Time nationwide broadcast TV during their Debate.
To be very clear, I am glad Israel is no longer sharing Intelligence with us, at least until we get a decent White House resident. I hope they get all they can from us on the fronts of political, economic, military, etc.
What did Trump do to change your mind?
I can't find any Texas Republican voters that share your low opinion of Trump.
As a very specific example, I can't find any Trump voters who have a problem about him doing this: "Then again, no previous president would have led foreign countries to believe that their receipt of security assistance was dependent on them seeking to actively obstruct an ongoing criminal investigation." It is perfectly okay for the Trump voters I am familiar with.
www.vox.com/2018/5/2/17311190/ukraine-mueller-trump-manafort-javelin
I am impressed that Trump has 41% of the country approving of him, although I am not impressed that he has switched many people from neutral toward him to disapprove.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
JewelStaiteFan, could you expand upon your comment "Hilliary commits Treason by revealing National Security Secrets on Prime Time nationwide broadcast TV during their Debate"? Because all I can find is that is false. It is an untruth. A fake report: www.snopes.com/fact-check/homeland-security-indicts-hillary/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Quote:6ixStringJack, I am still waiting for you to acknowledge that the USA did not need to build 50,000 nukes costing $trillions (I am ignoring that the $trillions are in some wealthy person's portfolio; he doesn't see it as wasted). The USA could have stopped after building only hundreds. Even the USA acknowledged that most of that money was wasted, since it has dismantled the majority of everything it built. It was as if the USA purchased 50,000 new luxury cars (rather than H-bombs), drove two of them on a trip to Japan, dumped a hundred more cars into the lagoon on Bikini Atoll in the Pacific, and then sent most of the luxury cars to the crushing machine for the scrap metal.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:
Originally posted by second:
It is an experiment that is well worth running to prove a point. The USA has run similar expensive experiments in the past, spending trillions of dollars on H-bombs that cannot be used. That is trillions on wars that cannot be won, if you want to be technical.
Our nuclear arsenal needed to be created since Russia would be the only government with one at the time if we hadn't done it. I imagine the world would be a much different place in that alternate universe, and the globes there would be unrecognizable to us here.
There's a difference between passively and actively making use of something. To say that the money spent on the arsenal was a complete waste is overlooking the potential passive power those nukes represented. This wasn't money spent on wars that could be won. It was money spent in hopes of ensuring these wars never begin in the first place.
Granted, things get a little fuzzy when you throw brainwashed ideologues with no sense of self preservation into the mix.Quote:
The USA is no safer than countries that have spent far less. Even countries that spent nothing on H-bombs are just as safe.
This is true, kind of. Having at least two super powers with these arsenals pretty much ensures that they won't ever actually be used for fear of mutually ensured destruction.
It stands to reason that there are going to be a lot of small countries and third world shitholes that benefit from this without having had to invest in the tech. . . .
The Chinese stopped building H-bombs and A-bombs after building only hundreds. More would have been a waste of money because the bombs will be exploding on the same planet that China is located. The Chinese know that fallout from their own bombs and nuclear winter will cross the border into China. It really made no sense in China to bomb all of the thousands of Trump golf courses and then breath the radioactive dust in Beijing. Instead, bomb Trump Tower and the White House and Mar-a-Lago and the job is done.
www.icanw.org/the-facts/nuclear-arsenals/
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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