Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:31 AM

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If yu ou had bought at the discount pricing on 23 March when Trump signed the Cramnibus Spendaholic bill, today would represent a 5.3% gain since then.
You don't just buy DOW. Your standing today compared to March 23rd could vary wildly from the 5.3% number based off of what you actually bought.

That's not to mention how much it costs you to buy into something (or multiplied by many somethings), and then the transaction costs to sell something (or multiplied by many somethings).

These transaction costs can eat heavily into any profits, which might make you choose to stay where you're at instead of cashing out ahead right now.

Who knows? Maybe two months from now you're up another 10% if you just hold it. Maybe you're down another 10%.
Without getting too complicated, I was referring to an index Fund mirroring DJIA.
No need to pay a pile of fees, just use a No-Load Fund.

I did not suggest cashing out now, while the Market is rising. Otherwise, you may as well have gotten out at 20K, like Jump Out JO said at the beginning of this thread.

Up 10% would be a new Record All-Time High.
Down 10% would be welcome news to many, and would be a dramatic development regardless of your outlook - but would still portend fantastic income opportunity.

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Income off the back of the American worker.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You did not quote me in your post. But the inference is that you were referring to my final sentence.

If this is correct, then you are incorrect. That income opportunity would be resulting from the losses of panicky investors.
When an investor buys Stock at the highest price, and later sells at a much lower price, this is a loss. When an investor sells that Stock to the losing investor at the high price, and then buys it back from the losing investor at the lower price, this is a gain, or income.

Unless your mantra has changed to define The American Worker as Investors/Traders, your statement was incorrect.

Nope. Not talking about that at all.

Any rise in a companies stock prices are due to cost cutting measures which usually are due to cutting benefits for workers, replacing American workers with foreign labor or automation, or just removing positions altogether.

Enjoy that cash that somebody else earned for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:22 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
If yu ou had bought at the discount pricing on 23 March when Trump signed the Cramnibus Spendaholic bill, today would represent a 5.3% gain since then.
You don't just buy DOW. Your standing today compared to March 23rd could vary wildly from the 5.3% number based off of what you actually bought.

That's not to mention how much it costs you to buy into something (or multiplied by many somethings), and then the transaction costs to sell something (or multiplied by many somethings).

These transaction costs can eat heavily into any profits, which might make you choose to stay where you're at instead of cashing out ahead right now.

Who knows? Maybe two months from now you're up another 10% if you just hold it. Maybe you're down another 10%.
Without getting too complicated, I was referring to an index Fund mirroring DJIA.
No need to pay a pile of fees, just use a No-Load Fund.

I did not suggest cashing out now, while the Market is rising. Otherwise, you may as well have gotten out at 20K, like Jump Out JO said at the beginning of this thread.

Up 10% would be a new Record All-Time High.
Down 10% would be welcome news to many, and would be a dramatic development regardless of your outlook - but would still portend fantastic income opportunity.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Income off the back of the American worker.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You did not quote me in your post. But the inference is that you were referring to my final sentence.

If this is correct, then you are incorrect. That income opportunity would be resulting from the losses of panicky investors.
When an investor buys Stock at the highest price, and later sells at a much lower price, this is a loss. When an investor sells that Stock to the losing investor at the high price, and then buys it back from the losing investor at the lower price, this is a gain, or income.

Unless your mantra has changed to define The American Worker as Investors/Traders, your statement was incorrect.
Nope. Not talking about that at all.

Any rise in a companies stock prices are due to cost cutting measures which usually are due to cutting benefits for workers, replacing American workers with foreign labor or automation, or just removing positions altogether.

Enjoy that cash that somebody else earned for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That's weird.
I usually see increased productivity, growing demand, short supply, growing market, company growth and expansion, facility and equipment expansion, and increased efficiency all causing rises in company stock prices.

7 of those cost more, only 2 are cost-cutting.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:44 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
If yu ou had bought at the discount pricing on 23 March when Trump signed the Cramnibus Spendaholic bill, today would represent a 5.3% gain since then.
You don't just buy DOW. Your standing today compared to March 23rd could vary wildly from the 5.3% number based off of what you actually bought.

That's not to mention how much it costs you to buy into something (or multiplied by many somethings), and then the transaction costs to sell something (or multiplied by many somethings).

These transaction costs can eat heavily into any profits, which might make you choose to stay where you're at instead of cashing out ahead right now.

Who knows? Maybe two months from now you're up another 10% if you just hold it. Maybe you're down another 10%.
Without getting too complicated, I was referring to an index Fund mirroring DJIA.
No need to pay a pile of fees, just use a No-Load Fund.

I did not suggest cashing out now, while the Market is rising. Otherwise, you may as well have gotten out at 20K, like Jump Out JO said at the beginning of this thread.

Up 10% would be a new Record All-Time High.
Down 10% would be welcome news to many, and would be a dramatic development regardless of your outlook - but would still portend fantastic income opportunity.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Income off the back of the American worker.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You did not quote me in your post. But the inference is that you were referring to my final sentence.

If this is correct, then you are incorrect. That income opportunity would be resulting from the losses of panicky investors.
When an investor buys Stock at the highest price, and later sells at a much lower price, this is a loss. When an investor sells that Stock to the losing investor at the high price, and then buys it back from the losing investor at the lower price, this is a gain, or income.

Unless your mantra has changed to define The American Worker as Investors/Traders, your statement was incorrect.
Nope. Not talking about that at all.

Any rise in a companies stock prices are due to cost cutting measures which usually are due to cutting benefits for workers, replacing American workers with foreign labor or automation, or just removing positions altogether.

Enjoy that cash that somebody else earned for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
That's weird.

It is, huh?

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I usually see increased productivity,

Lots of increased productivity by paying people overseas far less than people here. Even more productivity by replacing people altogether with machines.

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growing demand,

All that growing demand for new product with our stagnant economy for the last two decades. Oh, right. Demand from rising economies in other parts of the world, due in large part to our outsourcing of jobs and moving companies entirely overseas.

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short supply,

Maybe short supply of decent jobs. No shortage of garbage you don't need lining WalMarts and similar mega-corps all across the country.

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growing market,

Exactly which markets are growing in America today, outside of the consolidation of smaller entities into bigger ones. Disney, anyone?

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company growth and expansion,

Mergers and buyouts that result in a lot of overlap in positions and subsequent layoffs

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facility and equipment expansion,

See also: Automation / Outsourcing

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all causing rises in company stock prices.

7 of those cost more, only 2 are cost-cutting.

That depends on if you're look

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Without getting too complicated, I was referring to an index Fund mirroring DJIA.
No need to pay a pile of fees, just use a No-Load Fund.

I did not suggest cashing out now, while the Market is rising. Otherwise, you may as well have gotten out at 20K, like Jump Out JO said at the beginning of this thread.

Up 10% would be a new Record All-Time High.
Down 10% would be welcome news to many, and would be a dramatic development regardless of your outlook - but would still portend fantastic income opportunity.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Income off the back of the American worker.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
You did not quote me in your post. But the inference is that you were referring to my final sentence.

If this is correct, then you are incorrect. That income opportunity would be resulting from the losses of panicky investors.
When an investor buys Stock at the highest price, and later sells at a much lower price, this is a loss. When an investor sells that Stock to the losing investor at the high price, and then buys it back from the losing investor at the lower price, this is a gain, or income.

Unless your mantra has changed to define The American Worker as Investors/Traders, your statement was incorrect.
Nope. Not talking about that at all.

Any rise in a companies stock prices are due to cost cutting measures which usually are due to cutting benefits for workers, replacing American workers with foreign labor or automation, or just removing positions altogether.

Enjoy that cash that somebody else earned for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
That's weird.
It is, huh?
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I usually see increased productivity,
Lots of increased productivity by paying people overseas far less than people here. Even more productivity by replacing people altogether with machines.

Wrong. That is not greater productivity. There are few if any workforces in the world more productive than American & Canadian. You are mindlessly confusing cheaper cost with greater productivity. Even with machines, other workforces get less productivity from the machines than the North Americans do.

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growing demand,
All that growing demand for new product with our stagnant economy for the last two decades. Oh, right. Demand from rising economies in other parts of the world, due in large part to our outsourcing of jobs and moving companies entirely overseas.
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short supply,
Maybe short supply of decent jobs. No shortage of garbage you don't need lining WalMarts and similar mega-corps all across the country.
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growing market,
Exactly which markets are growing in America today, outside of the consolidation of smaller entities into bigger ones. Disney, anyone?
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company growth and expansion,
Mergers and buyouts that result in a lot of overlap in positions and subsequent layoffs
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facility and equipment expansion,
See also: Automation
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and increased efficiency
See also: Automation / Outsourcing
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all causing rises in company stock prices.

7 of those cost more, only 2 are cost-cutting.
That depends on if you're looking at the big picture in the long term, or if you're only looking at the money that is spent today.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Looks like you are wrong on 9 out of 9. Has second become contagious?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, April 25, 2018 1:05 PM

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Dow closed at 24,786 today. Another gain of almost 1%, after going over 1% during the session.

This is the highest close since 16 March, before the Facebook drop.

This is 6.9% off the Record All-Time High.

If yu ou had bought at the discount pricing on 23 March when Trump signed the Cramnibus Spendaholic bill, today would represent a 5.3% gain since then.

Also, the number of gains and drops of 3% cycles has been impressive in the past 3 months.

JO753

Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:11 AM

Stabilized or stagnant?

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JO753

Thursday, April 26, 2018 3:13 PM

Remember the spike in gas prisez bak in 2008?

Remember wut happened not long after?

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 26, 2018 6:10 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Looks like you are wrong on 9 out of 9. Has second become contagious?

Nice reply. Thoroughly investigated and plenty of proof to refute my claims. A+ work.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, April 27, 2018 4:08 AM

Dow gained 1% again today, closing at 24,322. This close is 8.6% off the Record All-Time High.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, April 28, 2018 12:52 AM

One week until the next Jobs Report comes out. Anybody want to speculate on that?

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