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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are people here - and I won't embarrass them by naming them -

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You are without question the most dishonest person ever to post on this board. You really are just like Trump.

You say there "are people here" and then link back to threads from 2004. What people could you be talking about that are here?

You say you'll be breaking a trust or embarrassing them if you name them - more lies.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"Well, the people that I'm referring to, they know who they are. TRUMP And all of the posts and discussions from that time are preserved on this board thru the miracle of modern technology. If you really wanted to know the truth (which you don't) you'd go scrolling thru those posts."

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I scrolled through them - nothing there in terms of "people here believing WMD" so more lies and SIGGY deception.

Consequences of a President who can't spell
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=6308

UN Inspectors Told To Leave Iraq Immediately
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=1701

Saddam Hussein was NOT a threat
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=7397

The Battle for Iraq - Ethnic Cleansing
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=7933&p=1
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=7933&p=4

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58710&mid=9
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Also, and interesting take on KRAPO by HKCavalier
What's the deal with KPO?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=55161

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Funny - did you actually read that one? I could tell you who looks the worst in that thread but I don't want to embarrass Kiki (oops). As expected, KPO presents his "case" well, logically. HK was always into lecturing others. Talk about bombast. And you and Kiki hatin' on your new best Buddy, AU. Funny, innit? Like I always say: what happened to you?
I swear on Stalin's tomb... that some day... I'll catch you telling the truth.

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There are people here - and I won't embarrass them by naming them -- SIGNY

You are without question the most dishonest person ever to post on this board. You really are just like Trump. You say there "are people here" and then link back to threads from 2004. What people could you be talking about that are here? - GSTRING

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There are still some people here from that time.They post infrequently. I'm not going to point them out by name, but let's just say that you knowledge of the "people here" is non-existent. And of course, based on that non-existent knowledge, you accuse me of lying.

Typical.

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You say you'll be breaking a trust or embarrassing them if you name them - more lies.

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I said I wouldn't mention them by name, and I won't.

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"Well, the people that I'm referring to, they know who they are. And all of the posts and discussions from that time are preserved on this board thru the miracle of modern technology. If you really wanted to know the truth (which you don't) you'd go scrolling thru those posts."- SIGNY

I scrolled through them - nothing there in terms of "people here believing WMD" so more lies and SIGGY deception. - GSTRING

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More GSTRING ignorance and nastiness. There are people here who believed with all their heart that WMD existed, were a threat to us, and CONTINUED to believe they were a justification for invasion long after USA troops discovered nothing in the rubble of war that was recently-produced. How these people feel NOW, I don't know, and I said so.

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Consequences of a President who can't spell
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=6308

UN Inspectors Told To Leave Iraq Immediately
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=1701

Saddam Hussein was NOT a threat
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=7397

The Battle for Iraq - Ethnic Cleansing
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=7933&p=1
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=7933&p=4

The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58710&mid=9
86415

Also, and interesting take on KRAPO by HKCavalier
What's the deal with KPO?
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=55161

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Funny - did you actually read that one?

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Yes

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I could tell you who looks the worst in that thread but I don't want to embarrass Kiki (oops). As expected, KPO presents his "case" well, logically. HK was always into lecturing others. Talk about bombast. And you and Kiki hatin' on your new best Buddy, AU. Funny, innit? Like I always say: what happened to you? - GSTRING

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You see, GSTRING, there you are being both an idiot and an ass, again. I'm consistent on ISSUES, NOT PEOPLE. I don't divide the world into "my tribe" and "your tribe" like you do. I don't decide that one interpretation is "right" because it came from "my tribe" and "wrong" because it came from some place else ... like you do.

I may disagree vehemently with you on some things and agree with you 100% on others. Only small minds - like yours and THUGR's and KRAPO's and SECOND's - think in terms of tribes/teams; winning/losing. What you really should be thinking of is correct/ incorrect because the forces OUTSIDE of your trivial tribesmanship are the ones that will make the biggest difference; and if you reduce every idea to "will my team win or lose from this" then you won't see MOST of what's going on outside of that teeny-tiny paradigm of yours.

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I swear on Stalin's tomb... that some day... I'll catch you telling the truth.

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People then, some of whom who are still here, believed fervently in the threat of Saddam's WMD. I told them then what I'm telling you now: Don't keep letting your head blow off over irrelevant thing

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
There are still some people here from that time.They post infrequently. I'm not going to point them out by name, but let's just say that you knowledge of the "people here" is non-existent. And of course, based on that non-existent knowledge, you accuse me of lying.

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As always, just the opposite is true. You're the one that constantly misattributes people and things.
And now you're going to protect these forum ghosts, who you say actually already confessed their fear of WMD in public, by not naming them even though you say they self identified. You're so full of sh*t it's embarrassing.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm consistent on ISSUES, NOT PEOPLE. I don't divide the world into "my tribe" and "your tribe" like you do. I don't decide that one interpretation is "right" because it came from "my tribe" and "wrong" because it came from some place else ... like you do.

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Riiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttt... I recall all of those times you disagreed with KIKI. Like never. Another BS gas attack from SIGNYM.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And, it was all based on a blizzard of deliberate government lies, insinuations, carefully curated "intelligence", a BRITISH DOSSIER WHICH PROMISED A "SLAM DUNK" ON WMD, and accusations without proof, pushed by EVERY top person in the Bush admin. Everyone who "believed" was misled. DON'T BE ONE OF THOSE BELIEVERS. Push the "pause" button on your emotions and your belief.

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*snort* nice try. Not this time.

Flynn admitted guilt
Gates plead guilty
Papadopoulos plead guilty
Richard Pinedo plead guilty
Alex van der Zwaan plead guilty
Most of the dossier has been verified
Junior, "If it's what I think, I love it!"
Trump is a compulsive liar
Putin is a compulsive liar
You're compulsive liar

On and on - the evidence of gross illegal activity and a major cover up is overwhelming at the very least, and that's from the mouths of the accused. Collusion? Who ever really cared about that - in and of itself (as we have discussed already), it is not necessarily illegal. And that's why Trump keeps repeating it like some kind of barking dog - it's all he's got to hold onto. He'll be saying it when they wheel him into the Big House.
The only important thing we don't know yet is how it will play out. Pardons out the wazoo? President Pence? Melania trying out the oligarch singles scene in Moscow?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Before the invasion of Iraq, there were people here who were clearly rattled by the thought of Saddam having WMD. Despite little evidence pointing in that direction thanks to Hans Blix scouring Iraq, evidence that SOME of the evidence was deliberately forged, and no practical means for Saddam to deliver his WMD to the USA, these people were completely mesmerized by a series of (increasingly improbable) WHAT IFs? until they were so traumatized by the vision of WMD in the hands of a madman they could think of nothing else. Nothing I or anyone else could say would persuade them to climb down from the ceiling.

And, it was all based on a blizzard of deliberate government lies, insinuations, carefully curated "intelligence", a BRITISH DOSSIER WHICH PROMISED A "SLAM DUNK" ON WMD, and accusations without proof, pushed by EVERY top person in the Bush admin. Everyone who "believed" was misled. DON'T BE ONE OF THOSE BELIEVERS. Push the "pause" button on your emotions and your belief.

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It was not government lies; it was Republican lies. It was not "people here who were clearly rattled"; it was Republican voters, people who are always in a panic. And these Republicans were also selling a ridiculous imaginary future that would begin immediately after a war:

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Thomas McInerney, a retired three-star general, said at the Senate hearings this past summer, "Our longer-term objectives will be to bring a democratic government to Iraq ... that will influence the region significantly." At a Pentagon briefing a few days later Rumsfeld asked rhetorically, "Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if Iraq were similar to Afghanistan—if a bad regime was thrown out, people were liberated, food could come in, borders could be opened, repression could stop, prisons could be opened? I mean, it would be fabulous."

The transforming vision is not, to put it mildly, the consensus among those with long experience in the Middle East. "It is so divorced from any historical context, just so far out of court, that it is laughable," Chris Sanders told me. "There isn't a society in Iraq to turn into a democracy. That doesn't mean you can't set up institutions and put stooges in them. But it would make about as much sense as the South Vietnamese experiment did."

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www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/11/the-fifty-first-state/302
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If Donald Rumsfeld sounds as optimistic about Iraq as Donald Trump does about #MAGA, it is because they both are bullshit artists and lying sacks of shit, which is the GOP default mode. Neither Donald could make a plan worth a damn, let alone actually make two different nations better than before.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I'd be more inclined to agree with Second's take on Republican politicians if Second were to acknowledge that most Democratic politicians are just as bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd be more inclined to agree with Second's take on Republican politicians if Second were to acknowledge that most Democratic politicians are just as bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I hear that same sentiment from my sisters, the Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion teaches that all governments are evil and will be brought down and utterly destroyed during Armageddon, in which the wicked politicians will finally face Judgment Day. I am not a member of my sisters' religion, but I am a believer in Judgment Day - I bring my unholy wrath down on those Republican motherfuckers seven days a week.
https://goo.gl/hWo4Dq


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd be more inclined to agree with Second's take on Republican politicians if Second were to acknowledge that most Democratic politicians are just as bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I hear that same sentiment from my sisters, the Jehovah's Witnesses. The religion teaches that all governments are evil and will be brought down and utterly destroyed during Armageddon, in which the wicked politicians will finally face Judgment Day. I am not a member of my sisters' religion, but I am a believer in Judgment Day - I bring my unholy wrath down on those Republican motherfuckers seven days a week.

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lol

Rock on with your bad self.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol

Rock on with your bad self.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I pray to Robert Mueller that he rip Trump another asshole, but neither Mueller nor Jehovah answer me. It is so disappointing but maybe it's because I swear too much, take the Lord's name in vain, and only go to church for funerals?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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