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Quote:Did you have a bad day? Refilled your bottle of meds?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am ridiculously focused on money and truth. A political example: I am so focused on the truth that Bill Clinton burned me and himself when he said, “I did not have sex with that woman.” (I made a bet with a Republican that Bill was telling the truth. I remain angry to this day that I lost the bet.) Bill caused years of trouble by perjuring himself on that minor detail. All his troubles could have been avoided by not lying, but rather accepting some minor embarrassment.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well that's because you're laughably ridiculous in your partisanship.
Most people who are in the real world don't only judge somebody on something so stupid.
Talk about "simplistic reasoning"...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Story #1:
“A Wall Street Journal and NBC News poll published this week found that 27 percent of respondents thought the tax law was a good idea, while 36 percent said it was a bad idea.”
Bummer. So what’s the Republican plan to get the public back on its side?
House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) aims to pass another massive tax cut this summer, which Republicans hope will rev up the GOP base and improve the standing of Republicans at the polls….Conservative leaders met with Ryan on Monday and expect a vote in June or July. That would give lawmakers time to discuss the issue with constituents over the August recess and ahead of Labor Day, the traditional kickoff to the election campaign season.
Of course that’s the plan. The answer to every problem always and everywhere is a tax cut.
Story #2, where the White House lies, then lies some more:
White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Tuesday said the Congressional Budget Office has no idea how to measure the impact of tax cuts, and dismissed the CBO's prediction that the tax cut bill would raise the debt by $1 trillion over a decade.
"Never believe the CBO," he said on Fox News. "Very important. Never believe them."
"They're always wrong, especially with regard to tax cuts, which they never score properly because they don't understand the growth, the incentives and the encouragements to reward success," he added.
CBO said the tax cut bill would add another $1 trillion in debt. But Kudlow and others have rejected this finding and argue it doesn't reflect the growth that the tax cuts will bring to the U.S.
"We're already moving towards a 3 percent growth path," Kudlow said. "I believe we will stay on that path and make it even better."
"The CBO people are professionals, this is not a personal attack," he added. "But their track record on tax cuts is not good."
Trump and his supporters have been touting the tax cuts as a major achievement as Republicans head toward the midterm elections, and are hopeful that achievement will help keep the GOP in control of Congress.
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/larry-kudlow-never-believe-the-cbo
Seems so weird that you swerved into the truth for one post. I can see that after this, you returned to your normally scheduled programming.
By the way, maybe you know the answer to this: where are data regarding economic growth on a quarterly basis, or less? The Beige Book reports I see are extremely vague and only use unspecific terms, and seem to avoid numbers. I believe it is published 8 times per year, including this past week and also in February. Do you know of somewhere that actual numbers are used? Like billions of dollars, or percentage of growth?
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Quote:JewelStaiteFan, are you a lying sack of shit?
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Did you have a bad day? Refilled your bottle of meds?
Seems so weird that you swerved into the truth for one post. I can see that after this, you returned to your normally scheduled programming.
Trump has been lying since childhood
In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio claims President Trump has been lying since he was a child. Watch the video about what a weirdo Trump has always been:
www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/04/21/michael-dantonio-intv-trump-lie
s-childhood-sot-cooper-ac.cnn
Take it from a rich business guy, we only give out raises when we have to. Don't count on that $4,000 Donald Trump & Paul Ryan promised from tax cuts.
www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/04/10/donald-trump-gop-tax-cuts-wo
nt-deliver-big-raise-column/471188002/
Paul Ryan and Donald Trump promised you a $4,000 raise. They said the rich and corporations would give it to you after they got giant tax cuts. But guess what? It’s not coming. That’s because their entire economic theory of growth is a scam.
Here’s the reality: If Trump wanted to give you a raise, he wouldn’t rely on trickle-down lies to do it. A mere $2 increase in the minimum wage would give millions of hard-working Americans a $4,000 raise. A modest updating of our overtime regulations would give a $4,000 raise to tens of millions more.
The rich are not job creators. The customers are the job creators. If taxes on the rich go down, job creation does not go up.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:Quote:With the resources of the FBI, Comey could have cheated by creating fake audio recordings. Comey asks on the recording: "What about Russia?" The Trump impersonator: "I colluded with Putin. Isn't that great!"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've entirely missed the point.
Because Comey didn't record anything, the memos themselves might be about as real as tales of Narnia.
6ixStringJack, you are deluding yourself into being cynical about Comey and everybody. That cynicism got you to vote for Trump because he was the unknown "outsider" who was going to "drain the swamp", so rich he would never steal. But Trump was not unknown. He had a long, long history where he would say anything to defraud his investors, bankers, tenants, subcontractors. He has been in court thousands of times and lost. He has threatened to sue tens of thousands of times, claiming that work was poorly done, and then did nothing, just a cheap intimidation trick so that he could get a quick 10% discount on what he owed a contractor who didn't want to go to court to get paid.
6ixStringJack, you fell for Trump's campaign lies. But instead of refusing to believe Trump when he claims the memos are fake, now you are also refusing to believe Comey the Boy Scout who wrote the memos, because Trump the-Well-Known-Liar says Comey is the real liar. If only Comey had a recording of Trump to back the written memos, but you still have to trust Comey to not make a fake recording with a Trump impersonator. Do you trust the Boy Scout? Or do you trust The-Well-Known-Liar? Or are you too stupid to trust anyone but family because you can't remember who has a history of lying?
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Comey the "boyscout", huh?
The same Comey that I keep hearing Democrats blame Hillary's loss on.
I don't trust somebody just because they were a boy scout. There are liars and assholes in every organization.
I'm not saying what was in Comey's memos isn't true. I just saying that there is no way of knowing if they are.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:By the way, maybe you know the answer to this: where are data regarding economic growth on a quarterly basis, or less? The Beige Book reports I see are extremely vague and only use unspecific terms, and seem to avoid numbers. I believe it is published 8 times per year, including this past week and also in February. Do you know of somewhere that actual numbers are used? Like billions of dollars, or percentage of growth?
Originally posted by second:Quote:I am ridiculously focused on money and truth.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well that's because you're laughably ridiculous in your partisanship.
Most people who are in the real world don't only judge somebody on something so stupid.
Talk about "simplistic reasoning"...
Do Right, Be Right. :)
Story #2, where the White House lies, then lies some more:
White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow on Tuesday said the Congressional Budget Office has no idea how to measure the impact of tax cuts, and dismissed the CBO's prediction that the tax cut bill would raise the debt by $1 trillion over a decade.
"Never believe the CBO," he said on Fox News. "Very important. Never believe them."
"They're always wrong, especially with regard to tax cuts, which they never score properly because they don't understand the growth, the incentives and the encouragements to reward success," he added.
CBO said the tax cut bill would add another $1 trillion in debt. But Kudlow and others have rejected this finding and argue it doesn't reflect the growth that the tax cuts will bring to the U.S.
"We're already moving towards a 3 percent growth path," Kudlow said. "I believe we will stay on that path and make it even better."
"The CBO people are professionals, this is not a personal attack," he added. "But their track record on tax cuts is not good."
Trump and his supporters have been touting the tax cuts as a major achievement as Republicans head toward the midterm elections, and are hopeful that achievement will help keep the GOP in control of Congress.
www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/larry-kudlow-never-believe-the-cbo
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Quote:Have you read the memos? I do not see a link to them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Comey the "boyscout", huh?
Originally posted by second:Quote:With the resources of the FBI, Comey could have cheated by creating fake audio recordings. Comey asks on the recording: "What about Russia?" The Trump impersonator: "I colluded with Putin. Isn't that great!"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've entirely missed the point.
Because Comey didn't record anything, the memos themselves might be about as real as tales of Narnia.
6ixStringJack, you are deluding yourself into being cynical about Comey and everybody. That cynicism got you to vote for Trump because he was the unknown "outsider" who was going to "drain the swamp", so rich he would never steal. But Trump was not unknown. He had a long, long history where he would say anything to defraud his investors, bankers, tenants, subcontractors. He has been in court thousands of times and lost. He has threatened to sue tens of thousands of times, claiming that work was poorly done, and then did nothing, just a cheap intimidation trick so that he could get a quick 10% discount on what he owed a contractor who didn't want to go to court to get paid.
6ixStringJack, you fell for Trump's campaign lies. But instead of refusing to believe Trump when he claims the memos are fake, now you are also refusing to believe Comey the Boy Scout who wrote the memos, because Trump the-Well-Known-Liar says Comey is the real liar. If only Comey had a recording of Trump to back the written memos, but you still have to trust Comey to not make a fake recording with a Trump impersonator. Do you trust the Boy Scout? Or do you trust The-Well-Known-Liar? Or are you too stupid to trust anyone but family because you can't remember who has a history of lying?
The same Comey that I keep hearing Democrats blame Hillary's loss on.
I don't trust somebody just because they were a boy scout. There are liars and assholes in every organization.
I'm not saying what was in Comey's memos isn't true. I just saying that there is no way of knowing if they are.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Have you read the memos? I do not see a link to them.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:Quote:Comey the "boyscout", huh?
Originally posted by second:Quote:With the resources of the FBI, Comey could have cheated by creating fake audio recordings. Comey asks on the recording: "What about Russia?" The Trump impersonator: "I colluded with Putin. Isn't that great!"
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You've entirely missed the point.
Because Comey didn't record anything, the memos themselves might be about as real as tales of Narnia.
6ixStringJack, you are deluding yourself into being cynical about Comey and everybody. That cynicism got you to vote for Trump because he was the unknown "outsider" who was going to "drain the swamp", so rich he would never steal. But Trump was not unknown. He had a long, long history where he would say anything to defraud his investors, bankers, tenants, subcontractors. He has been in court thousands of times and lost. He has threatened to sue tens of thousands of times, claiming that work was poorly done, and then did nothing, just a cheap intimidation trick so that he could get a quick 10% discount on what he owed a contractor who didn't want to go to court to get paid.
6ixStringJack, you fell for Trump's campaign lies. But instead of refusing to believe Trump when he claims the memos are fake, now you are also refusing to believe Comey the Boy Scout who wrote the memos, because Trump the-Well-Known-Liar says Comey is the real liar. If only Comey had a recording of Trump to back the written memos, but you still have to trust Comey to not make a fake recording with a Trump impersonator. Do you trust the Boy Scout? Or do you trust The-Well-Known-Liar? Or are you too stupid to trust anyone but family because you can't remember who has a history of lying?
The same Comey that I keep hearing Democrats blame Hillary's loss on.
I don't trust somebody just because they were a boy scout. There are liars and assholes in every organization.
I'm not saying what was in Comey's memos isn't true. I just saying that there is no way of knowing if they are.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-pdf-ex-fbi-director-
james-comey-memos-20180419-htmlstory.html
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re economics discussion
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-04-21/economy-cooked
not an answer, just an analysis with links
So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?
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Quote:There are buttons on these pages to download the data. The graphs are “live”. Running the cursor over the graph will give actual numbers at each point.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
By the way, maybe you know the answer to this: where are data regarding economic growth on a quarterly basis, or less? The Beige Book reports I see are extremely vague and only use unspecific terms, and seem to avoid numbers. I believe it is published 8 times per year, including this past week and also in February. Do you know of somewhere that actual numbers are used? Like billions of dollars, or percentage of growth?
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=jxo1
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=jxnZ
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Debunking the myth that “identity politics” is bad for the Democratic Party
By the late 1930s and early 1940s, the core constituencies backing the New Deal were groups that supported civil rights: industrial labor unions, African Americans, and urban liberals.
Conversely, it was Southern white Democrats who not only opposed civil rights but also adopted a virulently anti-union stance. Leading Southern white Democrats worked with Republicans to attack the same labor unions that were essential to electing New Deal Democrats in the North. These same Southerners increasingly worked with Republicans to block a range of New Deal initiatives, not just those relating directly to race.
Long before civil rights rose to the top of the national agenda, it was evident to labor leaders, African Americans, and other liberal New Dealers that they had to act together to defeat the Southern Democrats who stood in the way of both civil and labor rights.
Where most commentators trace the Democrats’ downfall to the late 1960s, when the party broke with the allegedly “colorblind” universalism of Martin Luther King Jr. and embraced something these critics call “identity politics,” Traub makes the case that the Democrats’ decline can be traced all the way back to 1948, when Hubert Humphrey persuaded the Democratic National Convention to endorse a platform in favor of civil rights, over the objection of Southern conservatives and risk-averse Northerners.
By committing the Democrats to racial equality, Humphrey set the party and the country on the path that led to desegregation, mandatory busing — and, finally, white “backlash.”
“Did the commitment of 1948 lead inevitably to the electoral calamity of 1968 and beyond?” Traub asks. “That is, did the Democrats doom themselves to lose much of the white middle class simply by demanding equal rights for black people?”
The defection of white Southerners, the loss of support among white working- and middle-class voters in the North, the rise of George Wallace, Ronald Reagan, and now Donald Trump — each might have been avoided but for this commitment to racial equality. In Traub’s words: “Thanks to Humphrey and the ADA [Americans for Democratic Action], the Democrats had done something even more dangerous than they understood: They had exchanged a politics of self-interest for a politics of moral commitment.”
Traub’s point is that the strength of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal coalition derived primarily from white voters. That helps explain why the introduction of racial issues to the Party by Humphrey and others was so destabilizing, in his view. “FDR had created the modern Democratic Party by deploying the state on behalf of ordinary citizens — ordinary white citizens,” he writes.
To hold on to Southern white Democrats, the New Dealers enacted numerous policies that excluded African Americans, particularly from 1933 to 1938. For example, most black Southerners were initially barred from receiving Social Security because farmworkers and domestics were not included.
More at www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/4/16/17242748/identity-politics-racial-j
ustice-democratic-party-lilla-traub-trump
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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Originally posted by second:
Debunking the myth that “identity politics” is bad for the Democratic Party
Followed by about 8 paragraphs that did no such thing.
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