The Evidens
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Quote:JO, this is pathetic. Don't you recall Trump saying - over and over- that he would seek better relations with Russia? That isn't some sort of secret goal whispered between conspirators, it was a CAMPAIGN PROMISE, which he's doing his best to fulfill - DESPITE warmongering nut-jobs and deep-staters (like some people on this board).
Trump reversez sanctionz 1 day after Haley anounsez them.
This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.
Every time I check into this thread, there you are: Riding your hobby horse. You're as bad as the people who were terrified of Iraq's "WMD". Sheesh, JO, can't you give it a rest?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.
He peed on one of their walls.
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
This is as bad as saying that Trump wanting to build a wall on our southern border is evidence of a "conspiracy" with wall-building construction companies because they must "have" something on Trump.
He peed on one of their walls.
FALSE
He had one of his Russian Hookers take a break from peeing on his face to pee on the wall.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
FALSE
He had one of his Russian Hookers take a break from peeing on his face to pee on the wall.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
https://qz.com/1256340
Basically, Bob Mueller is playing three-dimensional chess, and Trump is playing tiddlywinks. Mueller is pummeling the shit out of him, and every lawyer on the planet can see it.
Here’s how I know: Every lawyer I know who has been contacted by the White House has represented terrible people in the past, and they all said, “no thanks.” and every lawyer on the planet can see it.
Two reasons: One is the traditional stuff, he’s a terrible client who won’t listen and won’t pay—a disaster combo. The second reason is the stink of it. Their job is not to divine who’s good and who’s bad—defense attorneys ensure that even the most disgusting among us get due process.
But this has other value judgements—no one wants to take a case with all these other headaches and go down in flames in front of the entire world. Be associated with this guy, spend all your time and not get paid, alienate all of your other clients (current and future) and lose dramatically? There is just no upside. Those with the big names already don’t need it and the up and comers don’t want all the risks.
It’s one thing to take a case that’s really tough, we all do that every day. It’s an entirely different thing to take hold of a fucking rock and jump off a ship and sink to the bottom.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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I guess time will tell.
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Originally posted by second:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers
He haz good lawyerz in the Cohen case:
Seemz like they hav a conflict uv interest.
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:Don't you recall Trump saying - over and over- that he would seek better relations with Russia?
And yet he iz claiming "Nobody haz been tuffr on Russia than me" A lafabl lie, but it showz wut hiz wordz are worth.
The Syria missle strikes were a sham. They amount to free demolition servisez courtesy uv the US military. Nothing lost but old bildingz.
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Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers
He haz good lawyerz in the Cohen case
Another good story ruined by an eye witness?
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Jo, the analogy to Iraq's WMD scare is a good one. There are people here - and I won't embarrass them by naming them - who were paranoid about the thought of Saddam having WMD. During the entire run-up to war, and for years afterwards (and possibly still to this day) these people were convinced that Saddam had WMD, and the thought was plainly traumatic to them.
So, in that case, we had a person who was demonized in the press as being a tyrant, crazy, pathological, violent, and unpredictable Saddam Hussein (Trump). The administration and MSM kept pounding on the topic that Saddam had WMD (Trump colluded with Russia). It didn't seem to matter than one piece of "evidence" after another evaporated ... the yellowcake contract was a forgery, the aluminum tubes were rockets not centrifuge tubes (contacts seem to lead nowhere) ... nor did it seem to make a dent that Saddam's nation was being aggressively investigated by Hans Blix (collusion was being investigated by Mueller) and that while some suggestive items were found (some third-hand contacts with Ukraine were noted) there was nothing of substance found, even after months and months of searching. Nor did it seem to make a difference that EVEN IF Saddam had WMD, he did not have them in sufficient quantities to threaten the USA, nor did he have the means to deliver them to us (existential USA interests were not threatened).
No. What these people kept returning to was WHAT IF???
WHAT IF? Saddam was able to build a super-secret facility in the desert, one that he hid so cleverly that it couldn't be detected from space or on the ground? (WHAT IF there is a super=secret channel of communication between Trump and Putin?)
WHAT IF? he had managed to ship the weapons to Syria during a sandstorm, so they the convoy couldn't be detected? (WHAT IF Trump was under Putin's control?)
WHAT IF? Saddam could deliver anthrax to the USA? (WHAT IF Putin used Trump to destroy the USA?)
They created such a welter of WHAT IFs? that it was all they could see; it went completely out of perspective and blotted out every other consideration.
So here's the problem with Iraq's WMD hysteria (Russian collusion hysteria) and why it's so difficult to shake: You can't prove a negative.
It's logically impossible.
Just as Saddam could never prove that he DIDN'T have WMD, Trump can never prove that he DIDN'T collude with Russia. In order to do that, the investigator would have to poke into every possible scenario, and even then, those who are inclined to be fearful will dream up another WHAT IF??
And BTW, this shows that there is no lie so outrageous that our government (deep state) and press (corporations) wouldn't promote it, and no lie so ridiculous that some people won' fall for it.
So here's what I suggest, in order to prevent people from going off the deep end: You must first decide what our existential interests are. THEN, if you see them threatened in a real way ... and not as a result of some imaginary set if WHAT IFS ... you put the pedal to the metal
Ask yourself: Short of somehow "making" Trump push The Button, how could Putin destroy the USA thru Trump?
And - How does a better relationship with Russia threaten us? Oh, it doesn't.
All of our problems are self-created. We made them, we can fix them. Let's work on that.
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Quote:Trump has had trouble finding any decent lawyers who are willing to work with him on the Russia probe, so he’s finally decided to let his pal Rudy Giuliani come on board. But what exactly is Giuliani’s role going to be?
Originally posted by JO753:Quote:
Originally posted by second:Speaking of peeing, here is why Trump can't hire excellent lawyers. Essentially, Trump has pissed on all the best lawyers
He haz good lawyerz . . .
www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/04/rudy-is-back-in-the-saddle/
Here are three takes:
New York Times: Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York City mayor and longtime friend of President Trump, will join the president’s legal team in an effort to “quickly” resolve the special counsel investigation into Russian election interference and possible ties to Trump associates.
Wall Street Journal: In an interview, Mr. Giuliani, a former U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said his first task after joining the team will be to “find out what Bob Mueller needs” to complete the investigation. “I’m pretty sure we can comply with it,” he said. Mr. Trump’s legal team has “worked so hard to get this done. Hopefully we can speed it up,” Mr. Giuliani said.
Washington Post: “I’m doing it because I hope we can negotiate an end to this for the good of the country and because I have high regard for the president and for Bob Mueller,” Giuliani said in an interview.
Giuliani wants to “quickly” resolve the investigation. He wants to “speed it up.” And he wants to “negotiate an end” to it. In other words, he’s less a lawyer than he is an ambassador to Robert Mueller. And apparently he thinks he can wrap things up in just a few weeks.
Okey-dokey.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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