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UPDATED: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:18
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Uhhh, once again, YAWN.
The Marines ARE fighting a war on terror, in Iraq. Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq. Is this news to you? Also, all the arguments about WMD are now out the window because, yes, there are, and always have been, terrorists in ----wait for it---- Iraq. Remember the mastermind of the hijacking of that Italian oceanliner? He got captured in, you guessed it, Iraq, by U.S. Special Forces. Who knows how long he was hiding there, courtesy of Hussein. Is this news to you? By the way, last I heard, there are approx. 14,000 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, looking for you-know-who. Is this news to you?
Everyone dies alone.
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Originally posted by JRC:
Uhhh, once again, YAWN.
The Marines ARE fighting a war on terror, in Iraq.
Freedom fighters are in Iraq because the US went there. And you show the same arogance that Dubbya shows. Quite telling about your character really.
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Originally posted by JRC:
Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq.
And my humanity gets question!?!?!? Who the hell are you to call anyone an animal. They don't agree with your politics and have chosen a violent path. This doesn't make them animals, it makes them radicals.
And how do you know this? Did you phone him? Oh wait, those aren't working because of you guys. Along with the power, gas, water...
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Originally posted by JRC:
Is this news to you? Also, all the arguments about WMD are now out the window because, yes, there are, and always have been, terrorists in ----wait for it---- Iraq.
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Who knows how long he was hiding there, courtesy of Hussein.
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He got captured in, you guessed it, Iraq, by U.S. Special Forces.
I find it amusing that you say that you are justified in illegally invading another country even though every single "reason" has gone down the crapper because the people who fight you went there to fight you.
And the possibility that he went there after you guys illegally invaded the country never crossed your mind. But, then again, that would pop your little Bush world bubble, so that couldn't be the case, right?
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Originally posted by JRC:
By the way, last I heard, there are approx. 14,000 U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, looking for you-know-who. Is this news to you?
Last you heard.
July 9, 2004 17,900
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040709-afghan-presence.htm
And you just stated that there are ~14,000. How many were there in the beginning? I stated that you guys are pulling out and moving them to Afgan. effectively turning your back on the war on terror. Which is true.
Your logic that terrorists are being fought in Iraq is flawed. They wouldn't be there if you guys weren't. The "But they're there now!" argument is pathetic because you guys created this mess.
Perhaps you should read some news sometime and actually remember what has been said in the past. Also, google is your friend, learn to use it.
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Originally posted by JRC:
Remember that terrorist animal who pledged his loyalty to Bin Laden? That's right, he's somewhere in Iraq.
And my humanity gets question!?!?!? Who the hell are you to call anyone an animal. They don't agree with your politics and have chosen a violent path. This doesn't make them animals, it makes them radicals.
JRC is obviously referring to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian terrorist who has been active in the worst barbarities of the insurgency. You might remember him as the man who beheaded the bound and blindfolded Nicholas Berg for the video camera. Here's a good bio, which includes this info: "Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi has pledged allegiance to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a statement posted to an Islamic forum website on 17 October 2004". http://globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm
Based on his actions, I'd think that "animal" describes al-Zarqawi pretty well.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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I really liked the site. I'm going to add my own pic bc there aren't enough OLD people on it!
And speaking of coalition-building... This is kind of a shaggy dog story, so I hope you stick with it...
I have a "Nothing Accomplished" bumper sticker on my car (that I refuse to take off) and because of that I found a business card on my windshield that said "come to the potluck tomorrow" from someone I have known for years at work. She works in a different department and had no idea of my politics (or my car!) and I had no idea of her politics. It turns out that there were a LOT of people from different departments at that potluck. People I had no idea carried the pissed-off progressive banner. I hate to use that over-used word "liberating", but it was that kind of experience. Which made me realize a couple of things....
Progressives, leftists, liberals... however we identify ourselves... obviously feel pretty defensively "in the closet" if a simple potluck can be so freeing. Unlike right-wingers who can gather in churches of similar persuasion, the left does not have similarly accessible meeting places. (Unitarian churches are few and far between, and unions sold out in the political realm ages ago.) And while the internet can serve as a crystalizing point for progressive opinion, it's ineffective for getting some things done. And nothing compares to the feeling of relief and fellowship when you meet people who feel as you do and realize that you're not alone.
So... we intend to do this regularly. Keep reaching out- even in unlikely places (like work). You might be surprised who'll reach back!!
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I really liked the site. I'm going to add my own pic bc there aren't enough OLD people on it!
And speaking of coalition-building... This is kind of a shaggy dog story, so I hope you stick with it...
I have a "Nothing Accomplished" bumper sticker on my car (that I refuse to take off) and because of that I found a business card on my windshield that said "come to the potluck tomorrow" from someone I have known for years at work. She works in a different department and had no idea of my politics (or my car!) and I had no idea of her politics. It turns out that there were a LOT of people from different departments at that potluck. People I had no idea carried the pissed-off progressive banner. I hate to use that over-used word "liberating", but it was that kind of experience. Which made me realize a couple of things....
Progressives, leftists, liberals... however we identify ourselves... obviously feel pretty defensively "in the closet" if a simple potluck can be so freeing. Unlike right-wingers who can gather in churches of similar persuasion, the left does not have similarly accessible meeting places. (Unitarian churches are few and far between, and unions sold out in the political realm ages ago.) And while the internet can serve as a crystalizing point for progressive opinion, it's ineffective for getting some things done. And nothing compares to the feeling of relief and fellowship when you meet people who feel as you do and realize that you're not alone.
So... we intend to do this regularly. Keep reaching out- even in unlikely places (like work). You might be surprised who'll reach back!!
I envy you.
Being from NY and not a church goer, it is almost taboo to be conservative or libertarian. I would never dare to put a bumper sticker on my car that said anything conservative LOL, nor would I try and discuss anything at work really. The Leftwing radical folks around here get pretty damn violent in their politics. Smashed car windows, sliced tires etc..etc.. The local cops nabbed a guy with about 100 BUSH CHENEY signs he had stolen out of peoples yards. When I voted for Badnarik, I knew my vote was moot LOL.
What sucks IMHO, is that Progressives (I like that term) and Conservatives can't get together and have constructive discussions and find a common ground in many cases. Too often it feels more like a football game, where you have the bandwagoners for both sides, who couldn't tell you who the vice president of the US is let alone any of the other issues at hand. Yet they still seem to have an opinion on the election. I actually talked to a girl who said she would never vote for the Imperialist George Clinton!! ROFLMAO, that was a scary assed conversation, I spent the entire time nodding my head and wondering where our educational system went wrong.
The only freeing dialogue I get is when I get together with my wife's uncle who is a Marxist(not derogatory..he claims to be one) poetry teacher from NYU. An amazing guy really, whom I can sit down with and discuss politics without it becoming a bloodbath. What I find really cool about the time I spend with him, is that it is more a discussion on philosophy rather then a discussion on party affiliation. I can't say the same for sitting down with some of my conservative relatives who basically spew Limbaugh at me for 20 minutes, until I change the topic or leave the room. I'm the type of person who needs a little substance hehe.
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Well then I feel sorry for you bc you are really very isolated! BTW, the most insightful person I have ever talked to was a self-avowed Marxist.
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I have only one comment so far, before I go to work tonight.
I don't recall ever questioning your humanity. Maybe I should Google it.... 
I would sincerely hope that you don't put yourself or any other person into the same category of "human" as 
bin Laden or the rest of his pack, gaggle, flock, pride, etc. No normal "human" could do what they did three years ago, or behead people in front of a camera, or blow up the UN headquarters (these people are freedom fighters??), or two embassies in Africa, shall I go on?
Everyone dies alone.
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JRC wrote:
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Yawn.
Reaching out and building peace, with a little "please pity us, we lost". Just a bunch of sour grapes, people. I've accepted Kerry resignation speech, why can't you? Now you can work for 2008, maybe even "Billary" Clinton.
Wow - perfect example of a sore winner. Talk about whining! Yes, JRC, you "won" - get over yourself.
MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Well then I feel sorry for you bc you are really very isolated! BTW, the most insightful person I have ever talked to was a self-avowed Marxist.
Well..I don't feel isolated in the traditional sense. I spend alot of time reading and can find constructive dialogue on-line, not so much on this board, because just about every topic is an attackfest rather then a discussion. What I find disturbing in NY anyways, is that it is virtually impossible to have a dissenting opinion on any topic, be it taxation, the environment, industry etc..etc... Liberals here are very elitist and in many cases less then open minded to any dialogue that doesn't wholly agree with their viewpoints. Most NY liberals decry the horrors of conservatism, yet systematically hinder others rights to an opinion with a serious smothering effect.
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Originally posted by JRC:
I don't recall ever questioning your humanity.
Sorry, maybe that's a different thread. Juggling many things right now.
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I would sincerely hope that you don't put yourself or any other person into the same category of "human" as
Shall we do a genetic test? I would think that they would come back as human.
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