SJW Awards
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UPDATED: Friday, March 16, 2018 23:24
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Tonight the Oscars ceremony will revel in the SJW ambience.
It would be really exciting if Wind River won in several major categories, but who really wants to suffer through the speechifying?
Any Firefly connections expected? Morena? Sarah Paulsen? Chewie? David Krumholz?
Who will be the biggest windbag?
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Who will be the biggest windbag?
You, 6ix, or Sig.
Maybe you all can share...
Runner up can have this one...
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I didn't watch any of their movies last year even though I had free access to watch all of them. There's no way I'd actually suffer through that terrible elitist circle jerk. I'd rather watch the Superbowl.... which I also didn't watch.
The end is neigh for Hollywood. I can't wait for that day.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The end is neigh for MOST MALES in Hollywood. I can't wait for that day.
Fixed that for you!
If you truly think Hollywood is going anywhere, you really are the biggest dope on the planet.
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Funny, but I beg to differ, for a variety of reasons:
First, it is the year of the woman; and the wave has just begun. Why? you may ask, because of the capitalist system. The movie studios, old and new, will take advantage of the trend and make movies for, by and to women.
Two, the masses will flock regardless of how "good" or bad a movie is, and break box office records. People are simple, plus they're scared and they will gladly hand over the cash to escape the overwhelmingly horrid vulgarities of everyday life.
It is no longer acceptable to merely say, that movie sucked. Why? Because there are a handful of good movies being made, but the majority of the people want schlock and they get it in spades from the likes of Disney (who know how to make money).
There are exceptions, of course, but for the most part Hollywood is cranking out somewhat entertaining films, and occasionally throw a quality film into the mix to attract the adults in the room. There are movies like Greta Gerwig's LadyBird, Peele's Get Out, Denzel's Roman J. Isreal and, according to EC Gordon, Portman's Annihilation that challenge the average moviegoer's notion of what is good film.
But it doesn't take away the pure magic of box office draw.
Black Panther has reinforced the magic produced by last year's Wonder Woman (despite it's minor flaws), and that of the superhero movie. The remake of Jumanji and Thor's Ragnarok have revitalized the industry with clever and slick productions that had people running to the movies in droves. The American public, nay the world, are starved for entertaining films. Except for Star Wars, they have pretty much delivered. Is it schlock? Yeah. Do they care? No.
Black Panther, to some degree, is the exception. It is a somewhat thought-provoking film that happens to be disguised as a superhero movie. It is a cultural phenomenon. A tectonic shift in how to produce film of this type. It has managed to produce Black Pride in a time where a racist holds office in the White House and hate groups have actively been emboldened to encourage fear, mistrust and downright anger.
BP is headed for $1B worldwide and has already, in 3 weeks, made $500M domestically ($897.7M worldwide). Give it another month and it will top The Force Awakens ($937.7M). BP 17-day total is second only to TFA. Get Out grossed $176M that opened 2/24/17, and a year later has managed to win Best Screenplay. The Shape of Water only grossed $57.4M but won Best Director and Best Picture. The Last Jedi grossed $619M and no one is beating a path to the Oscars to praise this movie.
Okay, maybe that's not the best argument since the Oscars seem to draw your ire regarding Hollywood's penchant for playing it safe. And box office draw does not a great movie make. But that's my point exactly, it doesn't and shouldn't matter. My evidence is, once again, The Shape of Water and Get Out. Two highly touted and critically acclaimed films that have found a way to be different, and tell a story in a unique way. No cookie cutter here.
No friends, Hollywood is far from dead, and both women and "minorities" are bringing their lunch pails....they're ready to go to work. There's no denying and you can't wish it away. Capitalism is greed, and greed is good ladies and germs. Box office records may very well be set in 2018, and those greedy bastards will make sure to lead the way. Women of the world! Get ready to be exploited and manipulated yet again.
SGG
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Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The end is neigh for MOST MALES in Hollywood. I can't wait for that day.
Fixed that for you!
If you truly think Hollywood is going anywhere, you really are the biggest dope on the planet.
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Hollywood is terrified of making anything new. People are waking up to that and are tuning out. They won't be around in 20 years unless they make some huge changes to their business model.
Hanging all of the hopes for their future on Star Wars, the Marvel Universe and countless remakes is not a winning plan for the long term.
We're in the Golden Age of Television right now, and unlike days past many huge actors and actresses are flocking to the small screen.
The 90 minute format is dying. They can't keep up with the stories that can be told in a 12 or 13 episode season. Unless they do something to make it interesting again, it's only a matter of time until people turn their back on Hollywood. And no... making Women movies isn't going to work either. That's just a novelty gag that might work for a few years, but once people realize that it's just the same old shit with different players it's all over.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:You didn't mention 12 Years A Slave, which I liked better than Shape of Water.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:Quote:Funny, but I beg to differ, for a variety of reasons:
Originally posted by Wishimay:Quote:If you truly think Hollywood is going anywhere, you really are the biggest dope on the planet.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The end is neigh for Hollywood. I can't wait for that day.
First, it is the year of the woman; and the wave has just begun. Why? you may ask, because of the capitalist system. The movie studios, old and new, will take advantage of the trend and make movies for, by and to women.
Two, the masses will flock regardless of how "good" or bad a movie is, and break box office records. People are simple, plus they're scared and they will gladly hand over the cash to escape the overwhelmingly horrid vulgarities of everyday life.
It is no longer acceptable to merely say, that movie sucked. Why? Because there are a handful of good movies being made, but the majority of the people want schlock and they get it in spades from the likes of Disney (who know how to make money).
There are exceptions, of course, but for the most part Hollywood is cranking out somewhat entertaining films, and occasionally throw a quality film into the mix to attract the adults in the room. There are movies like Greta Gerwig's LadyBird, Peele's Get Out, Denzel's Roman J. Isreal and, according to EC Gordon, Portman's Annihilation that challenge the average moviegoer's notion of what is good film.
But it doesn't take away the pure magic of box office draw.
Black Panther has reinforced the magic produced by last year's Wonder Woman (despite it's minor flaws), and that of the superhero movie. The remake of Jumanji and Thor's Ragnarok have revitalized the industry with clever and slick productions that had people running to the movies in droves. The American public, nay the world, are starved for entertaining films. Except for Star Wars, they have pretty much delivered. Is it schlock? Yeah. Do they care? No.
Black Panther, to some degree, is the exception. It is a somewhat thought-provoking film that happens to be disguised as a superhero movie. It is a cultural phenomenon. A tectonic shift in how to produce film of this type. It has managed to produce Black Pride in a time where a racist holds office in the White House and hate groups have actively been emboldened to encourage fear, mistrust and downright anger.
BP is headed for $1B worldwide and has already, in 3 weeks, made $500M domestically ($897.7M worldwide). Give it another month and it will top The Force Awakens ($937.7M). BP 17-day total is second only to TFA. Get Out grossed $176M that opened 2/24/17, and a year later has managed to win Best Screenplay. The Shape of Water only grossed $57.4M but won Best Director and Best Picture. The Last Jedi grossed $619M and no one is beating a path to the Oscars to praise this movie.
Okay, maybe that's not the best argument since the Oscars seem to draw your ire regarding Hollywood's penchant for playing it safe. And box office draw does not a great movie make. But that's my point exactly, it doesn't and shouldn't matter. My evidence is, once again, The Shape of Water and Get Out. Two highly touted and critically acclaimed films that have found a way to be different, and tell a story in a unique way. No cookie cutter here.
No friends, Hollywood is far from dead, and both women and "minorities" are bringing their lunch pails....they're ready to go to work. There's no denying and you can't wish it away. Capitalism is greed, and greed is good ladies and germs. Box office records may very well be set in 2018, and those greedy bastards will make sure to lead the way. Women of the world! Get ready to be exploited and manipulated yet again.
SGG
Did you feel it was just too Downer, not uplifting enough, or diluted by Free State of Jones?
I did fin
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You didn't mention 12 Years A Slave, which I liked better than Shape of Water.
Did you feel it was just too Downer, not uplifting enough, or diluted by Free State of Jones?
Well, I was talking mainly about recently released movies. Besides, my comments towards the overall box office stats that today's movies are becoming more profitable than that of last year. Granted, Hollywood has been playing it safe in recent years, but there are those few exceptions. No, I'm afraid that Six is employing wishful thinking....however, he is right about the "cookie cutter" mentality. But no, Hollywood is not dying, mainly because they follow the rules of engagement when it comes to capitalism - adapt, adapt, adapt.
As far as 12 Years A Slave, it had it's good qualities, but we are talking apples and oranges when it comes to comparing it to Shape of Water. For my money, Del Toro's fable is the best since Pan's Labrynth (still the best, IMHO). No comparison. Shindler's List comes to mind whenever I think of masterpieces. Field of Dreams, Gladiator, The Departed, Raging Bull, Dances with Wolves......these are masterpieces, or damn near.
Now, mind you, I'm just spitballing here. This is no official list from anywhere but the back of my mind.
SGG
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Hollywood is terrified of making anything new.
On this one count, you are right.
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People are waking up to that and are tuning out.
Not according to Box Office Mojo. We are on record pace for 2018.
Of course, that is not the end all and be all. But there's no accounting
for taste.
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They won't be around in 20 years unless they make some huge changes to their business model.
You may have a point there, but Hollywood, in spite of their staunch beginnings, is slowly coming around. But it certainly will come true otherwise.
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We're in the Golden Age of Television right now, and unlike days past many huge actors and actresses are flocking to the small screen.
Again, you're right, but....television is the one medium that benefits from both Hollywood's failures and successes. The difference being the amount of time TV can devote to a character or characters, as opposed to Hollywood's constricted time frame in which to tell a story. There are just enough great stories in film to keep it afloat. The trouble is due to Hollywood's arrogance (much like the intelligence community during the days just before 9/11) no one paid any attention to the new talent, and so, we have blown opportunities to explore new markets.
If left up to Hollywood, Wonder Woman would have been a tremendous flop. Will someone please tell Hollywood to keep Zack Snyder away from the scripts....he just cannot write. Let him produce, but no to the writing, Zack my boy. 300 was his one masterpiece, oh and The Watchmen. But these old, white men just jump the shark when it comes to originality. All they know is money. I mention WW, because it led the way for Black Panther to become what it has become today...Box Office Gold.
SGG
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6ix mentioned a 90 minute format, but does admit not seeing a new film in years.
Clint's 15:17 To Paris was the shortest film he's done, and has been the shortest in a while. 2 to 2 1/2 hours is fair common now.
Black Panther was 134 minutes.
Bladerunner 2049 was 164.
Valerian was 137.
Arrival, 116.
Thor 3, 130.
Wonder Woman, 141.
The Force Awakens, 136.
Red Sparrow, 140.
Annihilation, 115.
Jumanji, 119.
Phantom Thread, 130.
The Last Jedi, 152.
Rogue One, 133.
Shape of Water, 123.
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