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SECOND

Sunday, March 11, 2018 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Did you consider the picture from North Korea's viewpoint? With Trump agreeing to meet with Kim, North Korea has already achieved a victory. Kim is looking for legitimacy. Trump just gave it to him as a presumed co-equal on the world stage. - SECOND
It's very possible that Kim is portraying this as some sort of victory domestically, making himself an even MORE beloved leader to his people.

WHO CARES what happens in NK domestically? It's not our business whether Kim gets any benefit out of this, and fretting about it - as you seem to be doing - is getting in the way of us getting something positive from this. After all, isn't the important thing to de-nuclearize the Korean Peninsula, remove a potential nuclear threat and flashpoint, negotiate a peace so that we can remove our troops and bases (reducing our military footprint and spending overall), and help the South and North achieve international relations? What are OUR interests, and how can we best achieve them?

Don't be cutting off your nose to spite your face, SECOND.

If American Presidents' criteria for wanting to de-nuke a country is that the country has H-bombs and intercontinental ballistic missiles and missile launching submarines of the Triomphant class and Arihant class, the Presidents would have been trying to de-nuke France and India.

Signym, can you think of the reason why France, India, and North Korea don't all three have sanctions against them because of their nukes? What is special about the government of North Korea that makes it so different, at least to American Presidents, from France or India? It is not the exotic cuisine. When you finally figure it out, Signym, then you will know why Trump should not be strengthening the hold of the third generation of Kims on North Korea by personally going to North Korea to negotiate. Negotiation is what the State Department is for.

OONJERAH

Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:17 AM

The Korean War (1950-1953) was never settled.
Militarily, it's a stalemate.

We're not at war with France or India.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

SECOND

Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:59 AM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
The Korean War (1950-1953) was never settled.
Militarily, it's a stalemate.

We're not at war with France or India.

Why was it never settled? Because President Truman did not want to admit he lost a war. 36,574 dead Americans was all Truman was willing to sacrifice. Kim Il Sung sacrificed 406,000 military, 600,000 civilian, and he was not gonna stop. And Harry S was replaced with Eisenhower, who also did not want to admit America lost a war. And so it has continued even until 2018, with the Kim family very willing to sacrifice another 406,000 military, 600,000 civilian dead. And American Presidents are willing to sacrifice nothing, nothing at all.
www.cnn.com/2013/06/28/world/asia/korean-war-fast-facts/index.html

If there will ever be peace on the Korean peninsula, South Korea needs to work with what it has got: Hyundai and KIA cars, Samsung TVs and smartphones, LG refrigerators and microwaves, and too much food, so much that the South Koreans are getting fat. South Korea needs to fatten up the North Koreans and teach them to drive a car.

In exchange, all Kim has to do is not fire more missiles nor explode more nukes. North and South Korea will again be one country, once the details are worked out and there are Samsung and Hyundai factories in North Korea. If North and South Vietnam can be one country, it could happen to Korea. The two Koreas only need to cooperate. The North sells missiles to the South and the South sells cars to the North and everybody is happy, except Washington DC and Beijing and Tokyo, about South Korea’s new weapons. But it won’t be any worse than France and India having nukes and intercontinental ballistic missles.

North v South Korea (2013)
Country N.Korea S.Korea
Population 24,720,407 48,955,203
GDP - per capita (PPP), $1,800 $32,400

www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/2013/apr/08/south-korea-v-north-kor
ea-compared

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:10 AM

Trump's got this

You're welcome.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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SECOND

Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:16 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Trump's got this

You're welcome.

The time for you to gloat, AURaptor, is after the SUCCESSFUL meeting between Trump and North Korea. The meeting might not happen. It might end in a stalemate, the state of American/North Korean relations since July 1953.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

OONJERAH

Sunday, March 11, 2018 3:43 PM

I rather hope that Trump doesn't have time for the meeting
... and he sends a charming diplomat instead.
That Kim saves great face & is very happy.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 11, 2018 5:14 PM

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
The Korean War (1950-1953) was never settled.
Militarily, it's a stalemate.

Militarily, we never signed a peace treaty with Germany either. Look it up. The Germans surrendered, but we never signed a peace treaty with them. That's why we still have huge bases in Germany, and they have a vestigial armed forces.

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We're not at war with France or India. - OONJ

Why was it never settled? Because President Truman did not want to admit he lost a war. 36,574 dead Americans was all Truman was willing to sacrifice. Kim Il Sung sacrificed 406,000 military, 600,000 civilian, and he was not gonna stop. And Harry S was replaced with Eisenhower, who also did not want to admit America lost a war. And so it has continued even until 2018, with the Kim family very willing to sacrifice another 406,000 military, 600,000 civilian dead. And American Presidents are willing to sacrifice nothing, nothing at all.

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SUCH SACRIFICE?

I think it's time YOU asked yourself the questions, SECOND: What are America's important interests, and how can we best achieve them?

Let's start with American existential interests- i.e. those interests which, if not achieved, will allow the destruction of American - and work outwards from there.

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If there will ever be peace on the Korean peninsula, South Korea needs to work with what it has got: Hyundai and KIA cars, Samsung TVs and smartphones, LG refrigerators and microwaves, and too much food, so much that the South Koreans are getting fat. South Korea needs to fatten up the North Koreans and teach them to drive a car.

In exchange, all Kim has to do is not fire more missiles nor explode more nukes. North and South Korea will again be one country, once the details are worked out and there are Samsung and Hyundai factories in North Korea. If North and South Vietnam can be one country, it could happen to Korea. The two Koreas only need to cooperate. The North sells missiles to the South and the South sells cars to the North and everybody is happy, except Washington DC and Beijing and Tokyo, about South Korea’s new weapons. But it won’t be any worse than France and India having nukes and intercontinental ballistic missles.- SECOND

Open relations with S Korea would represent an existential threat to NK. Not gonna happen.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Oonjerah:
I rather hope that Trump doesn't have time for the meeting
... and he sends a charming diplomat instead.
That Kim saves great face & is very happy.

... oooOO}{OOooo ...

Kim's happiness means nothing to me.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:46 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SUCH SACRIFICE?

I think it's time YOU asked yourself the questions, SECOND: What are America's important interests, and how can we best achieve them?

Let's start with American existential interests- i.e. those interests which, if not achieved, will allow the destruction of American - and work outwards from there.

America does not have a purpose. It does not have an interest. It is a third of a billion people pulling in all directions. Unsurprisingly, not much gets accomplished. It is 50 states governors doing what they can. Why would you think it could have a single purpose? America isn't purposeful like an ant colony with a queen. It is more like 50 ant colonies of all different and competing species, or 3,000 at the county level, or 20,000 ant colonies at the city and town level. It will be conflict after conflict. There will not be "A Purpose" for a country organized like that.

You can see that more clearly by comparing the decision making of an American Congress plus the President to decision making by the Kim Dynasty. When a Kim gives an order, people either obey or they die. A government with a Kim at the top will have a purpose. It is whatever the Kim wants, the Kim gets. There are stories about different Kims at different times over the decades having their political enemies murdered. When was the last time a President murdered a Bureaucrat, a General, or a member of his family? When was the last time a President started a famine that kills a million Americans? It has been longer than the last time a Kim did those things. A Kim has "A Purpose". A Congress or a Trump don't. All America has hundreds of millions of conflicting interests.

Would a Kim say the following? “Who knows what’s going to happen?” said Trump, who added that if the meeting takes place, “I may leave fast or we may sit down and make the greatest deal for the world.” Kim will have a clear purpose when he goes into a meeting with Trump. Trump won't. It will be all hot Trump air. Anything he promises or agrees to will have to be ratified by Congress, which will argue for months then come to a compromise or not. Who knows with those purposeless people with their conflicting interests? If Kim makes a decision in that meeting with Trump, nobody in North Korea will tell him to modify it.

www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/trump-says-north-korea-
talks-could-fail-or-bring-greatest-deal-idUSKCN1GM0TU

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

THGRRI

Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:40 PM

American has given the world a templet that others can recreate. Ideals of liberty, equality, and the right to pursue one's own happiness.

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