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SIGNYM

Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:24 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It's should be obvious to all Kim sees what's going on here with Trump. He knows like we do Trump is under tremendous pressure here. That Trump needs to steer the topic away from himself. I believe Kim is using this to his advantage.

So far Trump has handicapped America around the world by making one mistake after another. Is this his last stop?

Yanno, it's funny, but when I listen to different sources I get two entirely different pictures of the Trump administration. Yours ... the Lib/Dem one ... paints Trump as an almost tragic figure ... increasingly isolated and paranoid, driven to a King Lear madness by the gap between his innate capacities and the complexities of office. Any successes - such as the potential upcoming meeting - are accidental, and Trump didn't create them but he can sure fuck them up.

Another source - the X22 Report - paints Trump as an almost preternaturally devious man, one who is mocked for idiocy and mental disability ... a kind of modern-day Claudius* ... as he works his way towards achieving his goals. The tweets are just distractions which cause the deep state to focus in one direction while progress is made in other directions.

I'd give the X22 report zero credibility, but Trump has managed to pull a few rabbits out of various hats, and Trump has also (quietly and without fanfare) gotten several laws and/or Executive Orders in place which not only allow him to freeze the assets of those who are suspected of human rights crimes (such as trafficking people) but also given greater authority to court-martial. According to THIS theory, the meeting between Kim and Trump has already taken place ... in China.

Obviously, the two can't both be true, and quite possibly neither one is correct.

* Emperor Claudius

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Claudius’ disabilities may have given the impression that he could be easily manipulated, but once in power, he showed himself to be cleverer than previously believed. He deftly avoided a confrontation with the Roman senate, and purchased the loyalty of the Praetorian Guard with a massive 15,000-sesterce per man donative. His ailments appeared to improve after he took the throne, and he later claimed that he had only pretended to be dimwitted to protect himself.

https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-emperor-c
laudius

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THGRRI

Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:33 PM

X22 report, really sig. No wonder your insights are so fucked up. Little green men making videos on youtube. You should have coffee with rappy. He is duped by that shit as well.

I would think by now you would understand the posters here. To realize that shit won't fly with the ones who mostly disagree with you. Do you have the capacity to evolve or are you stuck in the world of ignorance?

T

SECOND

Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:40 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Yanno, it's funny, but when I listen to different sources I get two entirely different pictures of the Trump administration.

Did you consider the picture from North Korea's viewpoint? With Trump agreeing to meet with Kim, North Korea has already achieved a victory. Kim is looking for legitimacy. Trump just gave it to him as a presumed co-equal on the world stage.

At the conservative website The Federalist, Ed Krayewski said that “it’s possible” for Trump’s experience in running beauty pageants and professional wrestling to play a positive role in negotiations with Pyongyang.

“It’s not so preposterous to think of diplomacy as a bit like reality television,” he wrote on Friday. “Different countries have different priorities and national security interests, but they’re operating on an international stage with an international audience, and the pressure to “get to yes” that can come with that.” http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/09/trump-and-kim-jong-uns-meeting-dip
lomatic-win-for-the-president/

Rep. Luke Messer (R-IN) said, “If North Korea disarms, President Trump’s Nobel Peace Prize would be well deserved.” Some how, the Prize doesn’t seem likely.

SECOND

Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:00 PM

The reason a US president has never met a North Korean leader is that the US and North Korea continue to be at war. In international diplomacy, the leader-to-leader meeting is the highest level of commitment available. No prior White House would send the president into a summit that has not been pre-scripted with guaranteed results. Should there be no agreement, there is no face-saving blame to be put on State Department negotiators, and little room left for future diplomacy between North Korea and America. And while the White House says this meeting is not a negotiation, that only raises the question of what the president is even doing there.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:23 AM

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Did you consider the picture from North Korea's viewpoint? With Trump agreeing to meet with Kim, North Korea has already achieved a victory. Kim is looking for legitimacy. Trump just gave it to him as a presumed co-equal on the world stage. - SECOND

It's very possible that Kim is portraying this as some sort of victory domestically, making himself an even MORE beloved leader to his people.

WHO CARES what happens in NK domestically? It's not our business whether Kim gets any benefit out of this, and fretting about it - as you seem to be doing - is getting in the way of us getting something positive from this. After all, isn't the important thing to de-nuclearize the Korean Peninsula, remove a potential nuclear threat and flashpoint, negotiate a peace so that we can remove our troops and bases (reducing our military footprint and spending overall), and help the South and North achieve international relations? What are OUR interests, and how can we best achieve them?

Don't be cutting off your nose to spite your face, SECOND.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:29 AM

No matter what Trump did, Second and T would have said that it was the wrong move.

If it turns out to be the wrong move, they will say "I told you so".

If it turns out to be the right move, they will say that Trump deserves no credit for it.

Don't bother playing chess with people who rig the game in such a way that they're guaranteed to win no matter what Sigs.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SIGNYM

Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No matter what Trump did, Second and T would have said that it was the wrong move.

If it turns out to be the wrong move, they will say "I told you so".

If it turns out to be the right move, they will say that Trump deserves no credit for it.

Don't bother playing chess with people who rig the game in such a way that they're guaranteed to win no matter what Sigs.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

True dat.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
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CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
No matter what Trump did, Second and T would have said that it was the wrong move.

If it turns out to be the wrong move, they will say "I told you so".

If it turns out to be the right move, they will say that Trump deserves no credit for it.

Don't bother playing chess with people who rig the game in such a way that they're guaranteed to win no matter what Sigs.

So what does he deserve credit for so far, oh great sage? Go ahead, use the google.

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:57 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

* Emperor Claudius
Quote:
Claudius’ disabilities may have given the impression that he could be easily manipulated, but once in power, he showed himself to be cleverer than previously believed. He deftly avoided a confrontation with the Roman senate, and purchased the loyalty of the Praetorian Guard with a massive 15,000-sesterce per man donative. His ailments appeared to improve after he took the throne, and he later claimed that he had only pretended to be dimwitted to protect himself.
https://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-emperor-c
laudius

After "Lillie", "I Claudius" was one of the best early *BBC productions.

*British Broadcast Company

CAPTAINCRUNCH

Sunday, March 11, 2018 2:08 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
The reason a US president has never met a North Korean leader is that the US and North Korea continue to be at war. In international diplomacy, the leader-to-leader meeting is the highest level of commitment available. No prior White House would send the president into a summit that has not been pre-scripted with guaranteed results. Should there be no agreement, there is no face-saving blame to be put on State Department negotiators, and little room left for future diplomacy between North Korea and America. And while the White House says this meeting is not a negotiation, that only raises the question of what the president is even doing there.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

People seem to forget that Kim - crazy wild ass spoiled brat that he is - is still human. Sometimes we forget or don't consider, what the US looks like to the rest of the world. Trump of course is a television personality, one we can only imagine Kim knows much like Dennis Rodman. The effed up world of TV says he's a celebrity, special.
I actually think this might be an instance where Trump might do well. In a way Trump and Kim are very much alike, and they have their bat shit crazy in common. There are NO expectations. He's not going to be shot at while jumping into a chopper and getting the heck out of NK, so the worst that will happen is he'll make "at least he tried" points. I think that's exactly what he's banking on.

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