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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:43 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Your link is not a secure connection.

Look, 1kiki, it is https : https://themoscowproject.org/dossier/ The "s" in https means "secure". This is a typical deliberate misdirection. It is both not true and, if it were true, it would be a meaningless statement about Trump. Are you sure you are the same 1kiki from 2016, back when you were a Bernie supporter before you became a Trump person? Because you're not as good a troll as you were during the election.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And I proved you wrong. There were many, many references to the dirt on Clinton that Steele's sources said Russia had. So sorry you can't take being wrong, but if you did a little more reading and thought just a twees, you wouldn't be so very, very wrong, so very, very often.

So, aside from you being an ass, do you have a point of fact to make?

Well, for SURE you're an ass !!!

1kiki, you proved nothing. You asserted you've proven your point without you doing the work proving your point.
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Originally posted by 1kiki:

And let me add - if you believe Steele's dossier about Trump, then it means that the Russians also had dirt on Clinton. Which is what I said at the top of the page, where you accused me of lying. So, isn't it you who's lying, SECOND-RATE?

1kiki, that is stupid what you wrote. You got nothing. 1kiki, you are just a fucking nut. Or you are a Russian. But whatever you really are, you are not truthful.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:47 AM

And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 4:38 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.

I could smack 1kiki for this statement:
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97% of people 'believed' Iraq had WMDs. And how did that work out? As they say, a million flies eat shit.

That's the problem with assuming public opinion is reality. It isn't.

That 97% doesn't cover the reality in Texas which is expressed with two numbers: 0% and 100%. I knew no Democrats in Texas (0.00%) that believed in WMD in Iraq. All who were familiar with Governor George Bush being a liar, disbelieved President Bush. All the Texas Republicans (100.0%) believed in WMD. There was many reasons to believe all Texas Republicans were delusional at the time:
www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02
www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/meast/iraq-weapons-inspections-fast-facts
/index.html


Even until today, there are reasons to believe Texas Republicans live inside a delusion about Trump.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 5:00 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
And second once again smacks down a liar. As we witnessed it is kiki again. Shame on you kiki.

I could smack 1kiki for this statement:
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97% of people 'believed' Iraq had WMDs. And how did that work out? As they say, a million flies eat shit.

That's the problem with assuming public opinion is reality. It isn't.

That 97% doesn't cover the reality in Texas which is expressed with two numbers: 0% and 100%. I knew no Democrats in Texas (0.00%) that believed in WMD in Iraq. All who were familiar with Governor George Bush being a liar, disbelieved President Bush. All the Texas Republicans (100.0%) believed in WMD. There was many reasons to believe all Texas Republicans were delusional at the time:
www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_10/iraqspecialoct02
www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/meast/iraq-weapons-inspections-fast-facts
/index.html


Even until today, there are reasons to believe Texas Republicans live inside a delusion about Trump.




The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They chose wrong.


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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 5:20 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They choose wrong.

Let’s not lose the main point that idiotic Republicans (and 97% are idiots) wanted the Iraq War and they had the votes, no matter what the Democrats voted.

Even if every Democrat had voted No, the Iraq resolution still would have passed:

United States Senate
Party Yeas Nays
Republican 48 1
Democratic 29 21
Independent 0 1
TOTALS 77 23

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays Not Voting
Republican 215 6 2
Democratic 82 126 1
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 297 133 3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution
www.huffingtonpost.com/james-love/who-voted-to-authorize-fo_b_85652.ht
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I guess some Democrats decided that since the damn war was going to happen, they might as well get some credit for supporting it. They didn’t imagine that Bush would eventually lose the War. But what would you expect from an idiot and liar like Bush, other than a loss? What would you expect from an idiot and liar like Trump? An even bigger loss. There was an article written before the war explaining how it could go wrong:

The Fifty-First State?
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2002/11/the-fifty-first-state/302
612
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Going to war with Iraq would mean shouldering all the responsibilities of an occupying power the moment victory was achieved. These would include running the economy, keeping domestic peace, and protecting Iraq's borders—and doing it all for years, or perhaps decades. Are we ready for this long-term relationship? Bush was NOT ready. He wasn't even ready to run Texas, even after two terms as Governor.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:12 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
The democrats allowed Bush to go into Iraq because of a political gamble. Americans were pissed. They didn't want them angry at them. They chose wrong.




The Republicans allowed it too. They chose wrong also.


There was a time when the President didn't have the power to do that type of thing. Obama was supposed to change that. Bet you wish he had now that Trump is president.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:36 AM

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki, you proved nothing.

I proved you're an ass!
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
And let me add - if you believe Steele's dossier about Trump, then it means that the Russians also had dirt on Clinton. Which is what I said at the top of the page, where you accused me of lying. So, isn't it you who's lying, SECOND-RATE?

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Originally posted by second:
1kiki, that is stupid what you wrote.

No, I'm just pointing out your pervasive, blatant hypocrisy. And lying. You're willing enough to believe the Steele dossier when it comes to Trump. But can't credit the multiple statements in the very first pages of exact same document when it comes to the Russians having dirt on Hillary. Even though it's all there, in black and white, in the document BuzzFeed says is the entire Steele dossier, that it posted to the cloud, and linked for all to read.

But you're going to pretend I'm just making up lies out of thin air. Because you're an ass !




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:44 AM

Democrats were even more craven when it came to the US Patriot Act.

https://educate-yourself.org/cn/patriotact20012006senatevote.shtml
These are the 98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001.

House vote
Republican 211y 3n 5nv
Democratic 145y 62n 4nv
Independent 1y 1n




So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm feelin a major inditement rumbling down the chute, probably Kushner. Maybe Don Jr. Maybe both!

I'll be looking for those indictments against Kushner and/ or Trump Jr. this week and next week.

If you're wrong, will you admit it?



Uv course! How coud I deny it?

It may not be so soon, but they will be indited eventually.

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 6:17 PM

Maybe... maybe not.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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