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The risk of nuclear war under Trump

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 6:21 PM

People do have an inherent right to own guns. End of discussion.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, February 17, 2018 6:36 PM

But SECOND, you're making my point for me: Assuming that you're correct and that American collectively has the brain of a nematode. Unmolested, the nematode (as lowly as it is) would be doing nematode-beneficial things .... moving towards food, avoiding noxious stimuli. So what is it about this nematode that makes it so dysfunctional? You said it yourself:

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The cold-blooded and ruthless way to get the country to move in a particular direction is to find a particular neuron in the nematode-size-brain of America and zap it to get the behavior you want.
That presupposes that SOMEbody is doing the zapping. And, of course, the only way to *zap!* Americans is thru the mass media and social media, because that is how Americans communicate.

WMD! *zap!*
Communism! *zap!*

You, yourself, seem to be just as subject to being zapped as anyone else, and to *zap* others too.

RUSSIA! *zap!*
Republicans! *zap!*
Trump! *zap!*
Obama! *zap!*

And if someone suggests that the nematodes perhaps look up and see that they're being zapped and possibly cognate WHO is zapping them, you seem anxious to avoid that thought.

You were very upset that people were not FIGHTING but the first thing Americans should do is figure our who their real enemy is, otherwise its a wasted fight.

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As for me, I have a lot of nematode-beneficial things to do in the near future: water that parking lot tree (trees are good plus I park in its shade), submit a bunch of reimbursement forms, deal with dear daughter's insurance, figure out why my car battery suddenly died, install better trellises and rehab my climbing roses, continue to simplify our possessions, meet with a lawyer and figure out the ins and outs of conservatorship and special needs trusts, in addition to taking care of family and dog, so once again I may be out for a while.

ttul


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Saturday, February 17, 2018 6:41 PM

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You were very upset that people were not FIGHTING but the first thing Americans should do is figure our who their real enemy is, otherwise its a wasted fight.



It's also dangerous, and a lot of innocent people get hurt for no reason as well.

Instead of looking at guns as the problem as we ALWAYS do when something like the school shooting the other day happens, why aren't we looking into the actual problems that drive kids these days to doing something like this.

Stuff is broke right now. A lot of it. Trying to take away guns is like putting a Band Aid on a tumor, especially since it won't happen anyhow.


Why are our school systems failing our children? Not just the shooters. All of them. A lot of kids today are just miserable, let alone useless.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 4:15 AM

I moved this post to the "Blood on their hands...?" thread.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:17 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You were very upset that people were not FIGHTING but the first thing Americans should do is figure our who their real enemy is, otherwise its a wasted fight.



It's also dangerous, and a lot of innocent people get hurt for no reason as well.

Instead of looking at guns as the problem as we ALWAYS do when something like the school shooting the other day happens, why aren't we looking into the actual problems that drive kids these days to doing something like this.

Stuff is broke right now. A lot of it. Trying to take away guns is like putting a Band Aid on a tumor, especially since it won't happen anyhow.

Why are there unsolvable American problems? Because the person who has the problem has to solve the problem pretty much alone. If you have a problem with being gunned down at school, you have to give the crazy student’s name to the police. You also have to arm yourself or a guard at school. If you can’t afford to do that, if you don’t know the crazy fellow with the gun, too bad for you. It is the American way to let problems go unsolved. Leave all the work to people with the problem.

Why have the person who has the problem solve it? I think 6ixStringJack could name many reasons, but the best explanations involve admitting that Americans don’t care for other Americans and their problems. It costs money and inconvenience to care. Who cares to do that when you are busy solving your own problems?
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Why are our school systems failing our children? Not just the shooters. All of them. A lot of kids today are just miserable, let alone useless.

I’ll give you two examples from my school days about dumping problems onto the person least able to solve them. Happily, somebody solved them for me, but for most Americans pretty much nothing good happens.

1) I’m in second grade and cannot read. With a handwritten note, the teacher dumps my problem on my parents because the teacher has 39 other students. My parents know my sister’s teacher, Mrs Fox, at Sunset Elementary. She is a widow, even poorer than my parents. I received one reading lesson on a Saturday with Mrs Fox. If I sound out the word from the letters for Mrs Fox I will get a delicious glass of lemonade. I still remember the lemonade, but if my parents had not known Mrs Fox, and if she had not needed the money, and if my parents couldn’t pay, no lemonade for me. Forever. Despite being easy, I and my parents would never solve this problem on our own. We tried and failed until Mrs Fox helped. I know people in Texas who can’t read. There was no Mrs Fox for them.

2) The playground coach for Sunset Elementary had the job of keeping order when we played our violent kickball games. He wore sunglasses and a coach’s whistle all the time. When he took off his sunglasses to write, I could see the tan line. He writes a note to my parents. I could have thrown it away. I did not. I was lucky that Vernon Gutterman was at my house when the note was read. Vernon and my Father both worked at a hamburger stand. That is not a middle class job, by the way. Vernon took me and my Father to a downtown optometrist two times and paid for my glasses. The details about my Father paying him back are unknown to me. In Texas, I’ve known people who can’t see. There was no Vernon Gutterman for them when they were in elementary school.

Major problems in America don’t get solved because the people who have the problem are the least able to solve it and the most likely to be ruined by it. Being a less than helpful country, America says it is not America’s problem. Too bad for you when you fail. There are tremendous number of failures. And the poorer you are, the more likely you cannot solve your own problems. Even being poor is your problem, not America’s. You get to solve it almost completely alone. I could probably connect Americans wanting to nuke foreigners to Americans angry and frustrated by their u

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 8:10 PM

You have 3 videos of 3 people. If you had 30,000,000 people on your side it would not be enough. You need 300,000,000 people. If you had 150,000,000 on your side it is not enough because the numbers pro and con are about equal. In the case of a tie, the decision always goes to the most belligerent.

I do not agree with your bus analogy, where there is one driver and everyone else is a passenger. The Houston Chronicle explained today that the passengers can grab the driver and throw him under the bus:
"If you’re a Texan, and your governor runs a campaign image of a revolver (a machine designed to kill) nestled against a Bible, vote him out; there’s no place in this state for such an obscenity. If you’re a Floridian, and you have a governor and U.S. senator so craven that they can’t even mention the phrase “gun control” in the wake of unspeakable tragedy, vote them out; they’re in thrall to the NRA, not to the people they purport to represent. If you’re an American, and you have a president who, in his public utterance about last week’s school massacre, relies on tired nostrums about mental health and never mentions guns, vote him out. (He’s the same president, by the way, who signed a bill last year revoking an Obama-era initiative that made it harder for people with a mental illness to acquire a gun.)"

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Why do you think the 1% can bully the other 99%? It certainly is not because the 1% are belligerent.
You're kidding, right? I once heard a story from an (illegal Guatemalan) housekeeper who told me about a time, during a great agitation for labor rights, of a union meeting that was called at their village church. All in all, about 400 villagers showed up. And then a Gutemalan right-wing death squad gunned them all down.

What have we been posting about all along? The belligerance of the elite's army, right? And as for our internal policies ... did you know that we have the highest incarceration rate in the world?

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With 1kiki and Signym, I don't believe they are who they pretend to be: American citizens. If they are Russian trolls or spambots, they are doing their jobs well and nobly serving their country. Congratulations to them both! But if they actually live in America, they've both had a very odd upbringing. Still I can say Congratulations to them both for writing well and from their hearts.
I have to agree with KIKI- you should get out more. Are you so fixated on Americans being purposefully stupid and chicken that when some show up who aren't, you can;t imagine that they're American?

This guy, he's American:


So is this guy

And this guy ...

But, aside from THEM, there is ..... YOU. YOU seem to be decrying the same things that they are: the rape of the world by the elite. Aren't you American? And then there is ME: You and I seem to be saying the same thing. So why are fighting me? Are you one of those people who can't take "yes" for an answer?

Well, in any case, your thinking stops at ordinary Americans. But you seem to forget that ordinary Americans aren't really driving this bus. Ordinary Americans aren't deciding what to put on the news, what to show on TV, what religion to preach, the amount and content of advertising. If you're going to blame somebody for the shape the world is in, why don't you go one step farther and at least share some of the blame with the people who are in charge: the sociopathic elite?

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America is an oligarchy
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 9:50 PM

It looks like there is more than 1 factor driving homicide rates - gun ownership, economic distress, and social cohesion.






So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 10:35 PM

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Why have the person who has the problem solve it? I think 6ixStringJack could name many reasons, but the best explanations involve admitting that Americans don’t care for other Americans and their problems. It costs money and inconvenience to care. Who cares to do that when you are busy solving your own problems?



I think I've said on quite a few occasions that this is the case. Although I've also said that it's not an American trait, but a human trait.

That being said, no, I don't think this is the problem that needs to be solved.

Glad you learned how to read.

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Sunday, February 18, 2018 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:

Why have the person who has the problem solve it? I think 6ixStringJack could name many reasons, but the best explanations involve admitting that Americans don’t care for other Americans and their problems. It costs money and inconvenience to care. Who cares to do that when you are busy solving your own problems?



I think I've said on quite a few occasions that this is the case. Although I've also said that it's not an American trait, but a human trait.

That being said, no, I don't think this is the problem that needs to be solved.

Glad you learned how to read.

Modern humans have been around for 200,000 years. That is about 200,000 years of failing to solve really simple problems, followed by an early death. Most progress is in the last 6,000 years. More accurate, last 600 years. Even more true, the last few years. I asked myself often why the hell did my ancestors waste hundreds of thousands of years? Then I look around me in Texas and I see it is pretty obvious why, if my ancestors were anything like these stingy Republicans.
www.universetoday.com/38125/how-long-have-humans-been-on-earth/

If I had not learned to read, I'd never had been a mechanical engineer or a lot of other things. Instead, my path in life would have been the same as my Father's. Professional Hamburger Restaurateur. I'd not be voting Democrat; I'd be a bitter Republican, eager to nuke Arabs, and doing my very useful, yet low paid job. I'd be wondering why I'm not getting my fair share and when is Trump going to get a low yield atom bomb he can drop on whoever he pleases? I'd be my Dad, in other words.

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Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:45 PM

Biden on Putin's nuclear weapons claims in Belarus: Totally irresponsible

https://news.yahoo.com/biden-putins-nuclear-weapons-claims-173951856.h
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