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1KIKI

Monday, February 5, 2018 9:19 PM

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I already did dispute your notion that dems don't have a universal healthcare plan.

"It has been the goal of Democrats since Franklin D. Roosevelt to create a universal health care system guaranteeing health care to all people." -- Bernie Sanders

Here is the 96 page long bill: www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-act

Then you don't know what's in Medicare, and that it leaves many types of medical care UNCOVERED. Which means - it's not universal.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

1KIKI

Monday, February 5, 2018 9:23 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You think it's enough to say: vote for a dem because you loathe republicans. Though when it comes down to it, you don't even like democracy. You'd prefer the Deep State get Trump by any illegal means, and screw the vote.

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Since when is the Electoral College democratic?

Since the process was put into the Constitution.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 5, 2018 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://eand.co/why-were-underestimating-american-collapse-be04d9e5523

In interestingly enough, the author lays the collapse at the feet of our particular brand of predatory capitalism - the kind both republicans AND DEMOCRATS love so wholeheartedly.
You would not be correct on that. The GOP's ideal version of Capitalism has no universal healthcare and no taxes on the wealthy and no minimum wage. The Democrat's ideal version is the opposite. You can quibble about how far Congressional Democrats would dare to go when they write the law for their "ideal" version, but no matter how short or far a distance they go down the path to "ideal", they will be absolutely opposed by every force the GOP can bring against them. Need I add that since it takes 67 votes in the Senate, not 51, to get anything controversial and permanently done (not just for 10 years and then repealed), the Democrats will fall far short of "ideal".
I didn't recall that the GOP has brought legislation to repeal Minimum Wage.

I had only heard the GOP opposed to Inflation-causing Minimum Wage Increases.

When did they bring forth Bills to Repeal Minimum Wage?
"Inflation-causing wage increases" is a nice formula for no minimum wage. What could be better to change inflation to a negative number

Here is an interesting slip-up. One of the ways MWI spurs up inflation is by NOT following inflation, when inflation becomes negative. If Minimum Wage Rate and all follow-on Pay Schedules were retracted at the same rate as deflation, the premise of Minimum Wage Increases would be more palatable. But the inflated pay rates remain inflated, ensuring that inflation with return with vigor, instead of allowing the inflation/deflation cycle to stabilize.
Accidentally swerving into the truth, second sometimes does.

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than to do away with the minimum altogether?.

And yet again, surprise, surprise, second avoids answering the fairly simple question. The question looks to be in Standard American English to me. Does second require a special Tejas Jehovah's Witness dialect presentation in order to comprehend?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 5, 2018 11:47 PM

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Originally posted by SECOND:
"Securing Universal Health Care"

"Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. We took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. Democrats have been fighting to secure universal health care for the American people for generations, and we are proud to be the party that passed Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act (ACA)."

ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS
Democrats have been fighting to secure universal health care for the American people for generations, and we are proud to be the party that passed Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Being stronger together means finally achieving that goal. We are going to fight to make sure every American has access to quality, affordable health care. We will tackle the problems that remain in our health care system, including cracking down on runaway prescription drug prices and addressing mental health with the same seriousness that we treat physical health. We will fight Republican efforts to roll back the clock on women’s health and reproductive rights, and stand up for Planned Parenthood. And we will tackle the epidemics of substance abuse and gun violence, which each claim tens of thousands of lives every year.

Securing Universal Health Care
Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. As part of that guarantee, Americans should be able to access public coverage through a public option, and those over 55 should be able to opt in to Medicare. Democrats will empower the states, which are the true laboratories of democracy, to use innovation waivers under the ACA to develop unique locally tailored approaches to health coverage. This will include removing barriers to states which seek to experiment with plans to ensure universal health care to every person in their state. By contrast, Donald Trump wants to repeal the ACA, leaving tens of millions of Americans without coverage.
For too many of us, health care costs are still too high, even for those with insurance. And medical debt is a problem for far too many working families, with one-quarter of Americans reporting that they or someone in their household had problems or an inability to pay medical bills in the past year. Democrats will

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Monday, February 5, 2018 11:51 PM

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What's the plan again? THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. And while they CLAIM to be behind universal health care, they pin it to Medicare, which is far from universal, the ACA which lets you get diagnosed with free screening but raped with actual care costs, and, even worse, the dems want to keep insurance companies in the mix.

They CLAIM 'universal', then talk a mishmash of fight fantasies about everything but.
You were a big supporter of Bernie in 2016. Look at his plan.

It has numbers attached: https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

It has legal language: www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-act

It will not pass so long as 34 GOP Senators exist.

What does Socialist Bernie, representing Socialists and Communists, have to do with the Platform of the Democrat Party, of which he has not been a member?

34 GOP Senators have not always existed. They do exist now because they had A PLAN, they presented THEIR PLAN to the American Electorate, and pledged to put THEIR PLAN into Law.
Try getting your pretty little head to comprehend the concept of A PLAN.
A PLAN of the Democrat Party, included in their platform.

SECOND

Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:

What's the plan again? THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. And while they CLAIM to be behind universal health care, they pin it to Medicare, which is far from universal, the ACA which lets you get diagnosed with free screening but raped with actual care costs, and, even worse, the dems want to keep insurance companies in the mix.

They CLAIM 'universal', then talk a mishmash of fight fantasies about everything but.
You were a big supporter of Bernie in 2016. Look at his plan.

It has numbers attached: https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

It has legal language: www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-act

It will not pass so long as 34 GOP Senators exist.
What does Socialist Bernie, representing Socialists and Communists, have to do with the Platform of the Democrat Party, of which he has not been a member?

The cosponsors of Bernie's bill are Democrats. No Republicans show any interest.
www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/1804/cosponsors

Sen. Baldwin. Tammy
Sen. Blumenthal. Richard
Sen. Booker. Corv A.
Sen. Gillibrand. Kirsten E.
Sen. Harris. Kamala D.
Sen. Heinrich. Martin
Sen. Hirono. Mazie K.
Sen. Leahv. Patrick J.
Sen. Markev. Edward J.
Sen. Merklev. Jeff
Sen. Schatz. Brian
Sen. Shaheen. Jeanne
Sen. Udall. Tom
Sen. Warren. Elizabeth
Sen. Whitehouse. Sheldon

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

34 GOP Senators have not always existed. They do exist now because they had A PLAN, they presented THEIR PLAN to the American Electorate, and pledged to put THEIR PLAN into Law.
Try getting your pretty little head to comprehend the concept of A PLAN.
A PLAN of the Democrat Party, included in their platform.

The slave owning states had a plan, too. The smarter states such as Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri did not leave the Union. The dumber states such as Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia jumped out of Congress late and lost all their power. And then there were the stupid ass states of the deep South that quit Congress immediately. The slave states could have easily taken over the United States in the 19th Century if only the slave owners had used the Senate wisely. Smarter 20th Century planners to take over the U.S.A. know better than to repeat the mistakes of the Confederacy by quitting Congress.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_states_(American_Civil_War)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 6, 2018 12:36 AM

Lettuce attempt to fathom just how illiterate LinkMonkey JO really is:
Delving into Libtard delusions is ALWAYS tedious in the extreme.

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Are you just plain stupid beyond belief?
Yes.
Its horrible being only twise az smart az you.
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Your linky produces no results which indicate GOP has brought forth any Bills to Repeal Minimum Wage.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/104/hr3481

HR3481 of the 104th sought to repeal specific subsections of FLSA in 1994. Sections 205, 206, and 208. Section 206(c) was repealed in 1997 (Clinton, the famous Republican), and concerned American Samoa, Puerto Rico, etc. Sections 205 and 208 were repealed in 2007, and concerned American Samoa, etc.
Obviously, the genius of JO has discovered that Minimum Wage WAS REPEALED IN 2007 - IT NO LONGER EXISTS!!!!!
Strike One.
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https://www.bizjournals.com/stlouis/news/2017/07/03/bill-repealing-st-
louis-minimum-wage-increase-to.html
St Louis does not enact Federal Laws, even regarding the Federal Minimum Wage. Although obvious, apparently not for delusional Libtards.
Strike Two.
Repealing the INCREASE of the Minimum Wage does not in any way affect EXISTENCE of Minimum Wage Law. Although obvious, apparently not for delusional Libtards.
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https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2017/07/16/bill-would-rep
eal-minimum-pay-wisconsin-road-workers-and-allow-single-firm-design-build-highways/480549001/
Repeat of Strike 2, except this time Wisconsin.
Strike Four.
Repeat, sort of, of Strike 2, except this is "road workers" - are McDonalds employees road workers?
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https://www.thoughtco.com/members-of-congress-abolish-minimum-wage-336
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Libtard opinion of what delusional Libtards think Republicans should do.
Strike Six.
Complete lack of any legislation brought forth, any Plank of the GOP Platform, nothing at all, not even an attempt to seriously answer the query.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/130783/preemption-bills-new-conservati
ve-tool-block-minimum-wage-increases
Same swing as Strike 3.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/19/opinion/when-states-fight-to-overtu
rn-good-local-labor-laws.html
Libtard opinion, no legislation or GOP Platform Plank.
Strike Nine.
Same swing as Strike 2, except this time "States"
Strike Ten.
Same swing as Strike 2, except this time "local labor laws"
Strike Eleven.
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Just a sample from paje 1.
So, not ONE SINGLE VALID RESULT - OF A WHOLE PAGE of your genius level reserach?
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Obviously you didnt bother to klik & read any uv the serch rezults.
Pot calling the Fine China black? OBVIOUSLY a completely fraudulent claim right there.
Strike Thirteen.
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Slitely different wording in the serch gets more rezults, such az this resent example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2014/04/30/senate
-republicans-block-minimum-wage-increase-bill/?utm_term=.27f778095428
Identical swing to Strike 3.
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Herez the Wiki about Minimum Waje Law in the US:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage_in_the_United_States
No shit, Sherlock. Quite familiar with this Libtard version of your delusions. Would you like to point out the sentence or paragraph which specifies the legislation or GOP Platform Plank seeking to Repeal the Federal Minimum Wage? All other MW Laws are moot in this regard, as long as the Federal MW exists. Since you have thus far proven to be clueless and/or illiterate, you will certainly fail outside of your delusions.
Strike Fifteen.

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You shoud read it in order to not look like a fool.

Right back atcha.
Strike Sixteen.
Not even one single Ball.
A fine example of your prowess at illiteracy.

SECOND

Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:32 AM

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court recently ruled that the Republican gerrymandering of congressional districts was wildly unconstitutional. Republicans immediately appealed to the US Supreme Court, which was a savvy move since Samuel Alito, the most conservative justice on the court, represents the district that includes Pennsylvania. If there was even a ghost of a case to be made, he’d recommend that the full court take a look.

He didn’t. Pennsylvania’s districts will be redrawn in a tolerably honest way for the 2018 elections.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:36 AM

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Originally posted by JO753:
Herez the simple minded Republican filosofy on minimum waje law:

http://www.republicanviews.org/republican-views-on-minimum-wage/

Az with all their quazilibertarian gobbledygoop, they start with a poorly considered premis and then pile 'obvious' 'undeniable' extrapolationz upon it that often fail to even pass the internal lojik requirement. And virtually everything they think (I uze that word reluctantly for wuts going on in their skullz) iz disproven by real world historical facts.

Yet another Libtard opinion site congested with delusional echo chambers? And you allow this coagulated muck into your cranium?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, February 6, 2018 1:47 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's the plan again? THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. And while they CLAIM to be behind universal health care, they pin it to Medicare, which is far from universal, the ACA which lets you get diagnosed with free screening but raped with actual care costs, and, even worse, the dems want to keep insurance companies in the mix.

They CLAIM 'universal', then talk a mishmash of fight fantasies about everything but.
You were a big supporter of Bernie in 2016. Look at his plan.

It has numbers attached: https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/

It has legal language: www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-act

It will not pass so long as 34 GOP Senators exist.
What does Socialist Bernie, representing Socialists and Communists, have to do with the Platform of the Democrat Party, of which he has not been a member?
The cosponsors of Bernie's bill are Democrats.

Still working feverishly to avoid kiki's simple plain question?
What is the DEMOCRAT PLAN? What PLAN is a Plank in in Democrat Party Platform?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
34 GOP Senators have not always existed. They do exist now because they had A PLAN, they presented THEIR PLAN to the American Electorate, and pledged to put THEIR PLAN into Law.
Try getting your pretty little head to comprehend the concept of A PLAN.
A PLAN of the Democrat Party, included in their platform.
The slave owning states...blah blah blah (more enrelated diversionary hubris)

get back to the topic at hand, m'kay?