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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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The GOP's ideal version of Capitalism has no universal healthcare and no taxes on the wealthy and no minimum wage. The Democrat's ideal version is the opposite.

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I invite you to find universal healthcare in their platform. http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/2016_DNC_Platf
orm.pdf They 'believe' in universal healthcare, and will fight for better 'access', and maybe they might even fight for 'expansion' - but universal healthcare is not a goal.

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I took 1kiki's challenge and I find on page 31: "Securing Universal Health Care"

"Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. We took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. Democrats have been fighting to secure universal health care for the American people for generations, and we are proud to be the party that passed Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act (ACA)."

I believe 1kiki is mistaken about universal healthcare is NOT a goal of the Democrats.

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ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF ALL AMERICANS
Democrats have been fighting to secure universal health care for the American people for generations, and we are proud to be the party that passed Medicare, Medicaid, and the Affordable Care Act (ACA). Being stronger together means finally achieving that goal. We are going to fight to make sure every American has access to quality, affordable health care. We will tackle the problems that remain in our health care system, including cracking down on runaway prescription drug prices and addressing mental health with the same seriousness that we treat physical health. We will fight Republican efforts to roll back the clock on women’s health and reproductive rights, and stand up for Planned Parenthood. And we will tackle the epidemics of substance abuse and gun violence, which each claim tens of thousands of lives every year.

Securing Universal Health Care
Democrats believe that health care is a right, not a privilege, and our health care system should put people before profits. Thanks to the hard work of President Obama and Democrats in Congress, we took a critically important step toward the goal of universal health care by passing the Affordable Care Act, which has covered 20 million more Americans and ensured millions more will never be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition. Democrats will never falter in our generations-long fight to guarantee health care as a fundamental right for every American. As part of that guarantee, Americans should be able to access public coverage through a public option, and those over 55 should be able to opt in to Medicare. Democrats will empower the states, which are the true laboratories of democracy, to use innovation waivers under the ACA to develop unique locally tailored approaches to health coverage. This will include removing barriers to states which seek to experiment with plans to ensure universal health care to every person in their state. By contrast, Donald Trump wants to repeal the ACA, leaving tens of millions of Americans without coverage.
For too many of us, health care costs are still too high, even for those with insurance. And medical debt is a problem for far too many working families, with one-quarter of Americans reporting that they or someone in their household had problems or an inability to pay medical bills in the past year. Democrats will also work to end surprise billing and other practices that lead to out-of-control medical debt that place an unconscionable economic strain on American households. We will repeal the excise tax on high-cost health insurance and find revenue to offset it because we need to contain the long-term growth of health care costs, but should not risk passing

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1KIKI

Monday, February 5, 2018 4:11 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's the plan again? THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. And while they CLAIM to be behind universal health care, they pin it to Medicare, which is far from universal, the ACA which lets you get diagnosed with free screening but raped with actual care costs, and, even worse, the dems want to keep insurance companies in the mix.

They CLAIM 'universal', then talk a mishmash of fight fantasies about everything but.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Strawman, diversion.

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Ok, so you can't dispute that dems don't ACTUALLY have a universal health care plan.

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HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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But yanno, I've finally figured out your role in the democratic party SECOND. You're the gangrenous tissue that's rotting away the rest of it.

You didn't read the platform because you don't think it's important. You don't think dems need to come up with a plan that will make people want to vote for them. You don't think dems need to come up with a political response to repudiate Trump and offer an alternative hope, either. In fact, you don't want dems to change anything because it threatens your wealth.

You think it's enough to say: vote for a dem because you loathe republicans. Though when it comes down to it, you don't even like democracy. You'd prefer the Deep State get Trump by any illegal means, and screw the vote.

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HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What's the plan again? THEY DON'T HAVE ONE. And while they CLAIM to be behind universal health care, they pin it to Medicare, which is far from universal, the ACA which lets you get diagnosed with free screening but raped with actual care costs, and, even worse, the dems want to keep insurance companies in the mix.

They CLAIM 'universal', then talk a mishmash of fight fantasies about everything but.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Strawman, diversion.

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Ok, so you can't dispute that dems don't ACTUALLY have a universal health care plan.

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I already did dispute your notion that dems don't have a universal healthcare plan.

"It has been the goal of Democrats since Franklin D. Roosevelt to create a universal health care system guaranteeing health care to all people." -- Bernie Sanders

Here is the 96 page long bill: www.sanders.senate.gov/download/medicare-for-all-act



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

You think it's enough to say: vote for a dem because you loathe republicans. Though when it comes down to it, you don't even like democracy. You'd prefer the Deep State get Trump by any illegal means, and screw the vote.

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Since when is the Electoral College democratic? Trump received 47.3% of the popular vote in Michigan yet is awarded 100% of the vote. Since when did 47.3% equal 50% + 1 more vote majority?
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/michigan-president-clinton-trump

In Pennsylvania Trump got closer to the magic number in Democracies of 50%. He got 48.2%. That was close, but no cigar, except Pennsylvania's Electoral College was 100% for Trump. That is not how the vote in a Democracy works.
www.nytimes.com/elections/results/pennsylvania

Real Democracies have run-off elections when no candidate receives a majority. There has never been a run-off for President of the United States, despite occasions when no one got a majority.

Real Democracies in other countries than the US don't require a 67% majority to pass important laws in their equivalent of the US Senate. Since when has the US been run like a real democracy?

Slave owner James Madison wrote into the Constitution a system that would protect slave owners from non-owners. We don't have slavery today only because the slave owners foolishly walked out of Congress, but if they had not walked, the continued existence of slavery would come down to a vote in Congress. That undemocratic system designed to protect slave owners is still in the Constitution and the GOP is using it to protect themselves from the modern day non-slave owners equivalent.

Take note that Antebellum slave owning States had a very high opinion of the righteousness of their slave owning culture. Today, the GOP controlled States have the same high opinion of their culture and are using the same Constitutional/legislative/undemocratic levers that the slave owners once used to get their way.

The GOP has perfected gerrymandering voting districts. That is not how real Democracies are run. The GOP suppresses voter turn out on election days. That too is not how real Democracies work.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The ACA did nothing at all to bring us closer to Universal Healthcare. It artificially inflated insurance costs while at the same time doing nothing to curb the ever inflating costs of the healthcare itself.



Do Right, Be Right. :)

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