The Last Jedi Discussion

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:00 AM

I don't know how many of you have ever played a game by Ron Gilbert called Maniac Mansion before, but I loved what he had said in an interview a few years back around the 25th anniversary of it's release when he was asked if he would ever make another sequel to it. He said that he would love the idea of it, but he didn't think he'd actually ever do it because it had built up 25 years of nostalgia in people and he didn't believe that there was any way possible that he could ever live up to that.

Good for you Ron.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:09 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I don't know how many of you have ever played a game by Ron Gilbert called Maniac Mansion before, but . . .

Ron Gilbert talks about making Maniac Mansion during Game Forum Germany 2011. Click the link.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:01 AM

Cool. Thanks for the link. I will watch that sometime tonight. I've never actually seen him speak before. Just read a few articles about him and the guys who worked on MM and the sequel.

lol... love the image that's behind him in the youtube thumbnail.

Uh Oh... Razor's standing by the microwave. I don't think that's Hot Pockets I smell. Poor Ed. :(

Do Right, Be Right. :)

ZEEK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 9:39 PM

So, I thought of another example of an issue with The Last Jedi that might clarify why you have to earn changes in characters. In The Force Awakens Han and Chewie were pretty much the exact same characters they were when we last saw them in Return of the Jedi. I didn't hear any complaints about their characters. Plot maybe but not the characters. Now if they wanted to be edgy they could have made Han and Chewie hate each other and literally try to kill each other in The Force Awakens. Wow shocking, right? Sure, but if the only explanation for why they're acting that way is "time passed. people change." I really doubt it would go over well. When established characters change it needs to be earned with reasonable explanation. Not just a shrug.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by Zeek:
So, I thought of another example of an issue with The Last Jedi that might clarify why you have to earn changes in characters. In The Force Awakens Han and Chewie were pretty much the exact same characters they were when we last saw them in Return of the Jedi. I didn't hear any complaints about their characters. Plot maybe but not the characters. Now if they wanted to be edgy they could have made Han and Chewie hate each other and literally try to kill each other in The Force Awakens. Wow shocking, right? Sure, but if the only explanation for why they're acting that way is "time passed. people change." I really doubt it would go over well. When established characters change it needs to be earned with reasonable explanation. Not just a shrug.

I wonder if anybody would disagree with your 2 posts.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, January 26, 2018 12:13 PM

Yes, what he (Zeek) said.

SGG

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We can hardly blame Johnson for thinking outside the box. One of the biggest complaints fans had about JJ Abrams’ The Force Awakens was that it borrowed too many tired tropes from the original trilogy. Now, one of the biggest complaints fans have about that movie’s sequel is that it used ideas they had never heard of. Disney and Lucasfilm cannot win: Star Wars is such a beloved franchise that any film-maker is likely eventually to upset fans.

I think that's just a bit too much of a paraphrase of the criticism. I've never heard anyone complain that the ideas in the film were new. It was that the ideas didn't fit. Luke Skywalker's change didn't seem plausible given his character, and they just told us it happened rather than show us reasons and earn the change. A lot of the Star Wars world was changed in ways that didn't make sense. For instance: Ship shield technology apparently changed over night, Ships now have fuel reserves which has never come up before and begs the question why the Empire came up with a complicated plan to disable the Falcon's hyperdrive on cloud city rather than just drain their fuel, The opening crawl of the movie claims the new order "reigns" when the force awakens claims they were a rising power on the fringe of the galaxy...exactly how do they reign when no time passed between films?

There's a lot of stuff in the movie that just doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of questioning. For a lot of people that killed the suspension of disbelief and instead of being an immersive movie it was jarring and disappointing.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, January 26, 2018 12:31 PM

Storytelling 101.....well put.

SGG

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Originally posted by Zeek:
So, I thought of another example of an issue with The Last Jedi that might clarify why you have to earn changes in characters. In The Force Awakens Han and Chewie were pretty much the exact same characters they were when we last saw them in Return of the Jedi. I didn't hear any complaints about their characters. Plot maybe but not the characters. Now if they wanted to be edgy they could have made Han and Chewie hate each other and literally try to kill each other in The Force Awakens. Wow shocking, right? Sure, but if the only explanation for why they're acting that way is "time passed. people change." I really doubt it would go over well. When established characters change it needs to be earned with reasonable explanation. Not just a shrug.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, January 27, 2018 6:42 AM

I'd never even heard the points that Zeek had brought up about TLJ, and of course I still haven't seen it for myself. Everything he's saying sounds very reasonable though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, January 27, 2018 9:10 AM

It goes to continuity Six. For example, Clarence the angel argues that George Bailey's life is worth saving. He presents his case to George because he's the one that needs convincing. So, after all of this, George decides that life IS worth living and finds Zuzu's petals (a symbol for his renewed faith in hope).

Now, imagine, if you will, George deciding that his life is such a wreck that he falls into despair and decides to continue not to exist. This is the dilemma in "It's A Wonderful Life," a life and death struggle with George's conscience and his perception of the worth of his life. So he decides it ain't worth living.

Throughout the film Capra presents, built up by Clarence's (Capra's alter ego) case prep, that there's hope, but George is NOT convinced. So he decides that he's doomed and nothing can save him. But his behavior throughout his life in the film shows that George is the ultimate optimist. He's the everyday man who is literally Good Neighbor Sam. The Good Samaritan. Always finding a way to make lemonade out of lemons. The proverbial beacon of light of positivity. Capra presents the average Joe as hero, and proceeds to tell the story of his journey - the Everyday Man. So, his decision to give in to despair would be, in a word, wrongheaded.

This is what Zeek is presenting in his analysis. It is what I call...well put.

I say, whether you are a fan of Star Wars or not, see the movie and judge for yourself. When I left the theater after seeing TLJ, I left scratching my head as to what I just witnessed. Parts were brilliant, followed by parts that were "not so much." Trouble that I had was determining if this was purposeful on the part of Rian Johnson, or was it just total ignorance of what came before. Was he strictly limiting his screenplay to what he had witnessed in The Force Awakens? If not, then was it just bad writing? I'm not sure because I really did like his sci-fi film "Looper." That was well written. So, do we, the Star Wars fans, give him a mulligan?

SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'd never even heard the points that Zeek had brought up about TLJ, and of course I still haven't seen it for myself. Everything he's saying sounds very reasonable though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WHOZIT

Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:10 AM

I didn't see episode 8 yet, and I don't think I'm going to. I was told it sucked and to wait for it to come to TV, so I went to YOUTUBE the other day and the fans are still pissed. They killed off characters they should have saved for episode 9, and they're ALL pissed off with the writer/director and the social justice warriers. Mark Hammil is making clear he won't return in 9, if what the nerds on YOUTUBE are saying is correct Disney has killed STAR WARS. The only way they can save this is if 9 is as good as 5...which won't happen, Jar Jar Abrams doesn't have the talent.

P.S. The nerds are talking about boycotting SOLO.

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