Purgatory and its mathematical relation to the event horizon

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 6:06 AM

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It's also been theorized that black holes don't even exist in the first place.

What?? Of course they do... we've got a big one in our galaxy and they emit things or cause nearby things to emit things...

You're sure? Have you ever seen one?

I give it 50/50.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Thursday, January 25, 2018 7:17 AM

*FACEPALM.

Yeah, Mike Rowe, the great astronomer.

Cheezit Crust...try getting your info from somewhere OTHER than youtube for a day...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 8:55 AM

Duh! *Facepalm*

Not Youtube. The Science Channel. A show called "How the Universe Works". As I mentioned in the last post to JSF, he only narrates the show which is fact checked and all the data is from the scientific community.

Black Holes are only a theory Princess, and yes, some scientists don't believe in their existence.

I might add that I have no stake in this at all as whether or not a black hole exists is not going to effect me one way or another in my lifetime.

I'll leave you to your regular involuntary drooling now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:15 AM

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some scientists don't believe in their existence.

Some "scientists" also believe the planet is only about 6000 years old, and that dino fossils are made in a special effects department...

Unfortunately, we aren't allowed to use bolt guns on those knuckle draggers who don't know how to use that lump of putty three feet above their asses.

While we don't know the exact nature of what black holes are, we KNOW there is a big round spot in the middle of our galaxy and that it, like other "black holes" will eat stars and emit different kinds of radiation.

This is from 2006.

A giant black hole has been caught red-handed dipping into a cosmic cookie jar of stars by NASA's Galaxy Evolution Explorer. This is the first time astronomers have seen the whole process of a black hole eating a star, from its first to nearly final bites.

"This type of event is very rare, so we are lucky to study the entire process from beginning to end," said Dr. Suvi Gezari of the California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, Calif. Gezari is lead author of a new paper appearing in the Dec. 10 issue of Astrophysical Journal Letters.

For perhaps thousands of years, the black hole rested quietly deep inside an unnamed elliptical galaxy. But then a star ventured a little too close to the sleeping black hole and was torn to shreds by the force of its gravity. Part of the shredded star swirled around the black hole, then began to plunge into it, triggering a bright ultraviolet flare that the Galaxy Evolution Explorer was able to detect.

Today, the space-based telescope continues to periodically watch this ultraviolet light fade as the black hole finishes the remaining bits of its stellar meal. The observations will ultimately provide a better understanding of how black holes evolve with their host galaxies.

It makes sense (at least to me and to other people who are able to make sense) that if creation of planets happens then destruction of planets happens as well. The universe itself is a living breathing thing, for whatever reason. Yin Yang, Push Pull, Life Death. Some day this universe will give a death rattle and the matter will convert to energy and it will breathe again. That is the observable nature of our universe.

I don't care what you or "youtube science" believes... *shrug.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:45 AM

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Some "scientists" also believe the planet is only about 6000 years old

I stopped reading after this.

Apparently The Science Channel is run behind the scenes by Greg Pirkle.

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Some "scientists" also believe the planet is only about 6000 years old

I stopped reading after this.

Apparently The Science Channel is run behind the scenes by Greg Pirkle.

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Some "Scientists" also believe that algore's invention called "Global Warming" is actually real.

Hey, Six, can you post a linky to the post in the other thread about Mike Rowe and science?

WISHIMAY

Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:14 PM

...And the other "resident genius" chimes in.

I know what it was...I said the words "knuckle draggers" and it brought them running...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 26, 2018 8:10 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Some "scientists" also believe the planet is only about 6000 years old

I stopped reading after this.

Apparently The Science Channel is run behind the scenes by Greg Pirkle.

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Some "Scientists" also believe that algore's invention called "Global Warming" is actually real.

Hey, Six, can you post a linky to the post in the other thread about Mike Rowe and science?

Yeah... I'll have to look for it. I don't remember where that conversation was posted.

Wishy sure does sound like that triggered nitwit though, doesn't she?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 26, 2018 8:14 AM

TV host Mike Rowe is known for his measured, devastating take-downs of people who attack him or his work. He has perfected the art of subtly twisting the knife in the side of critics with calm, cool language.

This skill was on display Thursday when Rowe responded to a woman criticized his politics on Facebook.

Rowe narrates the show “How The Universe Works” on the Science Channel. The woman, Rebecca Bright, called Rowe an “anti-education, science doubting, ultra-right wing conservative” who should be fired.

“I love the show How the Universe Works, but I’m lost on how the producers and the Science Channel can allow anti-education, science doubting, ultra-right wing conservative Mike Rowe to narrate the show,” Bright wrote, according to Rowe. “There are countless scientists that should be hired for that, or actors, if you must, that believe in education and science that would sound great narrating the show, example: Morgan Freeman. Cancel this fools contract and get any of your scientists so often on the show to narrate it.”

In his response, Rowe started off by exhibiting his knowledge of the subject of the show and killing Rebecca with kindness:

Well hi there, Rebecca. How’s it going?

First of all, I’m glad you like the show. “How the Universe Works” is a terrific documentary series that I’ve had the pleasure of narrating for the last six seasons. I thought this week’s premiere was especially good. It was called, “Are Black Holes Real?” If you didn’t see it, spoiler alert….no one knows!!!

It’s true. The existence of Black Holes has never been proven. Some cosmologists are now convinced they don’t exist at all, and the race to prove their actuality has become pretty intense. Why? Because so much of what we think we know about the cosmos depends upon them. In other words, the most popular explanations as to how the universe actually works, are based upon the existence of a thing that no one has been able to prove.

As I’m sure you know, it’s OK to make assumptions based on theories. In fact, it’s critical to progress. But it’s easy these days to confuse theory with fact. Thanks to countless movies and television shows that feature Black Holes as a plot device, and many documentaries that bring them to life with gorgeous CGI effects and dramatic music, a lot of people are under the assumption that Black Holes are every bit as real as the Sun and the Moon. Well, maybe they are, and maybe they aren’t. We just don’t know. That’s why I enjoyed this week’s show so much. It acknowledged the reasons we should question the existence of something that many assume to be “settled science.” It invited us to doubt.

Oftentimes, on programs like these, I’m asked to re-record a passage that’s suddenly rendered inaccurate by the advent of new information. Sometimes, over the course of just a few days. That’s how fast the information changes. Last year for instance, on an episode called “Galaxies,” the original script – carefully vetted by the best minds in physics – claimed there were approximately one hundred billion galaxies in the known universe. A hundred billion! (Not a typo.) I couldn’t believe it when I read it. I mean, the Milky Way alone has something like 400 billion stars! Andromeda has a trillion! How many stars must there be in a universe, with a hundred billion galaxies? Mind-boggling, right?

Well, a few weeks later, the best minds in physics came together again, and determined that the total number of galaxies in the universe was NOT in fact, a hundred billion. They were off. Not by a few thousand, or a few million, or few billion, or even a few hundred billion. The were off by two trillion. That’s right…TWO TRILLION!!

But here’s the point, Rebecca – when I narrate this program, it doesn’t matter if I’m correct or incorrect – I always sound the same. And guess what? So do the experts.

Rowe then slowly turned his keyboard to Rebecca’s idea that he should be fired because doesn’t “believe in education and science,” and it gets brutal:

When I wrote about th

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 26, 2018 8:16 AM

It was in the For the Record thread of all places. (Thanks Google!)

So Wishy has already seen it. It is assumed she didn't read it though.

Rowe's reply to this woman was great. I imagine it's Wishy he's talking to when he says it:

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Anyway, Rebecca, my beef with your post comes down to this – if you go to my boss and ask her to fire me because you can’t stand the sound of my voice, I get it. Narrators with unpleasant voices should probably look for other work anyway, and if enough people share your view, no hard feelings – I’ll make room for Morgan.

But if you’re trying to get me fired simply because you don’t like my worldview, well then, I’m going to fight back. Partly because I like my job, and partly because you’re wrong about your assumptions, but mostly because your tactics typify a toxic blend of laziness and group-think that are all too common today – a hot mess of hashtags and intolerance that deepen the chasm currently dividing our country.

Re-read your own post, and think about your actual position. You’ve publicly asked a network to fire the narrator of a hit show because you might not share his personal beliefs. Don’t you think that’s kind of…extraordinary? Not only are you unwilling to engage with someone you disagree with – you can’t even enjoy a show you claim to love if you suspect the narrator might not share your view of the world! Do you know how insular that makes you sound? How fragile?

I just visited your page, and read your own description of you. It was revealing. It says, “I stand my ground. I fear no one & nothing. I have & will fight for what’s right.”

Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t think the ground you’re standing on is worth defending. If you truly fear “no one & nothing,” it’s not because you’re brave; it’s because you’re unwilling to expose yourself to ideas that frighten you. And while I can see that you like to fight for what you think is “right” (in this case, getting people fired that you disagree with,) one could easily say the same thing about any other misguided, garden-variety bully.

In other words, Rebecca, I don’t think you give a damn about science. If I’m wrong, prove it. Take a step back and be skeptical about your own assumptions. Take a moment to doubt your own words, and ask yourself – as any good scientist would – if you’ve got your head up a black hole.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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