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Quote:Your suggestions are exactly what an unthinking Republican legislator would suggest: Make some huge changes in the law that you are pretty sure will benefit yourself. Then do not work out the calculation on paper to see what the consequences are for the rest of the nation or business or the national debt or, really, anything because you have already done the mental calculation of "What's in it for me?" Republicans have contempt for experts that could do a real calculation because the sum total might be: "Don't Do It!" The recent tax overhaul, for example, did not wait for the experts to tell Congress how the National Debt would change if the law changed.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Huh....
Well, I'm for tying the minimum wage to inflation immediately, and removing the social security tax on anyone making under 100k. This means 1 of 2 things.
1. I'm not Republican.
or
2. #NotAllRepublicans
Pick one.
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Bullshit I haven't thought about it. Don't make an accusation and then offer nothing to back it up. If you have a problem with my tax plan and my idea to tie the minimum wage to inflation, then specifically state what it is or shut the fuck up.
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Your suggestions are exactly what an unthinking Republican legislator would suggest: Make some huge changes in the law that you are pretty sure will benefit yourself. Then do not work out the calculation on paper to see what the consequences are for the rest of the nation or business or the national debt or, really, anything because you have already done the mental calculation of "What's in it for me?" Republicans have contempt for experts that could do a real calculation because the sum total might be: "Don't Do It!" The recent tax overhaul, for example, did not wait for the experts to tell Congress how the National Debt would change if the law changed.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Huh....
Well, I'm for tying the minimum wage to inflation immediately, and removing the social security tax on anyone making under 100k. This means 1 of 2 things.
1. I'm not Republican.
or
2. #NotAllRepublicans
Pick one.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:6ix, what you got is not what a real plan looks like, you know, a plan that will be a success. You have nothing: no calculations, no URL's to several experts and their calculations, no economist praising your idea. You've got nothing but a high opinion of yourself, which makes you perfect material for a GOP legislator. Admit it: you are a natural-born Republican, despite your strong protest that you are not.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Bullshit I haven't thought about it. Don't make an accusation and then offer nothing to back it up. If you have a problem with my tax plan and my idea to tie the minimum wage to inflation, then specifically state what it is or shut the fuck up.
And you ending your comment with "or shut the fuck up" is the GOP cherry on top. Those guys are ultra-sensitive babies when called out on their half-ass plans.
This is what a real minimum wage law should look like, if only Congressmen would take real responsibility and stop faking it for what they do: Every year, every Congressman submits his number for the minimum wage. He has to explain in writing to his voters about where his number came from. The final decision is the median, not the average, of all the numbers from all Congressmen. There should be no automatic change with inflation.
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WOW, SECOND, you have outdone yourself!
Quote:In other words: no access to things that ordinary people simply don't have. No influence-peddling. No complicit media. No tamed economists. Just an idea.
Bullshit I haven't thought about it. Don't make an accusation and then offer nothing to back it up. If you have a problem with my tax plan and my idea to tie the minimum wage to inflation, then specifically state what it is or shut the fuck up. - SIX
6ix, what you got is not what a real plan looks like, you know, a plan that will be a success. You have nothing: no calculations, no URL's to several experts and their calculations, no economist praising your idea.= SECOND
SECOND, dood, you have not debated SIX's idea, merely re-stated your preference that only WEALTHY people- such as yourself- should influence the conversation.
Quote:Speaking of people with a high opinion of themselves ... tell me, SECOND, how high ARE you right now?? 'Cause YOUR high opinion of yourself? It's pretty characteristic of liberaloids who believe that they can threaten others without consequence because... well, they're just so PERFECT!
You've got nothing but a high opinion of yourself, which makes you perfect material for a GOP legislator.- SECOND
Quote:Admit that you're a natural-born asshole, which is typical of wealthy Texans.
Admit it: you are a natural-born Republican, despite your strong protest that you are not.
Quote:Your whole post ... yes, THIS post ... is a giant "shut the fuck up". Instead of discussing SIX's PLAN, you ... like virtue-signallers everywhere ... attack SIX, personally. For not having "connections". For being "Republican" (YOUR insinuation). For having a high opinion of himself (YOUR opinion)!
And you ending your comment with "or shut the fuck up" is the GOP cherry on top. Those guys are ultra-sensitive babies when called out on their half-ass plans.
I have to add an extra-crispy comment to that: One of the humblest people on the board is SIX. One of the biggest, most self-congratulatory turds here is you. And you have spent your entire post trying to shut SIX down because he had the temerity to bring AN IDEA to a discussion forum, which is exactly where ideas are supposed to be brought? Who the hell do you think you are? Oh, that's right: Just some tremendously rich guy who thinks he's better than everybody else.
Quote:Oh look! A BASELESS IDEA from SECOND!
This is what a real minimum wage law should look like, if only Congressmen would take real responsibility and stop faking it for what they do: Every year, every Congressman submits his number for the minimum wage. He has to explain in writing to his voters about where his number came from. The final decision is the median, not the average, of all the numbers from all Congressmen. There should be no automatic change with inflation.
Tell me, where are your calculations? Where are the economists lining up behind your idea? CLEARLY your plan doesn't have what it takes to be a success!
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Quote:6ixStringJack is like every Texas Republican I have ever known. They've got ideas haunting their heads and they believe that haunting is the same thing as thinking and planning. And then they start shouting and conniving when they don't get their way. And when they get the reality of what was once an idea that was haunting their brain, and reality sucks, they start telling lies about how good reality has become.
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, dood, you have not debated SIX's idea, merely re-stated your preference that only WEALTHY people- such as yourself- should influence the conversation.
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I was going to have a much different reply, but Signy said everything very eloquently already.
Thank you for that wonderful reply Signy.
And despite all of J0's and my differences, Second, he seems to think that I'm on to something here. Unlike you, who would most definitely have something to lose if this plan were ever enacted, he sees the merits of it and is willing to not only discuss it here, but to bring it to other places he posts and presumably is running his platform on. Say what you will about me, but J0 is most certainly nothing like a Texas Republican.
Your original tactic was to cut me off at the knees on my idea by quoting what FDR had to say about it, to which I altered the plan to also call for an Amendment to the Constitution that would prohibit future politicians from reversing it or dismantling Social Security altogether. I assume that was a good idea because you completely changed tactics and are now baselessly attacking my character and comparing me to Texas Republicans, of not a single one have I ever met in my entire life.
I think you're afraid.
You probably should be.
I don't blame you for wanting this idea to never see the light of day.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:It took me hours to realize it, but in your scheme, you avoid paying FICA tax because your income is less than $100,000 per year. FICA taxes are the Social Security and Medicare taxes. So your scheme is exactly the same scheme as a Republican legislator trying to kill social security and medicare, which makes you a standard, run-of-the-mill, ordinary GOP operative. Your little side suggestion of a constitutional amendment to prohibit dismantling Social Security altogether will never get passed, which means you are fantasizing.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
And despite all of J0's and my differences, Second, he seems to think that I'm on to something here. Unlike you, who would most definitely have something to lose if this plan were ever enacted, he sees the merits of it and is willing to not only discuss it here, but to bring it to other places he posts and presumably is running his platform on. Say what you will about me, but J0 is most certainly nothing like a Texas Republican.
Your original tactic was to cut me off at the knees on my idea by quoting what FDR had to say about it, to which I altered the plan to also call for an Amendment to the Constitution that would prohibit future politicians from reversing it or dismantling Social Security altogether. I assume that was a good idea because you completely changed tactics and are now baselessly attacking my character and comparing me to Texas Republicans, of not a single one have I ever met in my entire life.
Florida Senator Marco Rubio admits that the Republican tax cut plan, which benefits corporations and the wealthy, will require cuts to Social Security and Medicare to pay for it.
www.newsweek.com/tax-plan-social-security-medicare-welfare-republicans
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House Speaker Paul Ryan and other top Republican leaders are already sounding the alarm about an out-of-control deficit problem. Their targets for closing the gap include Social Security and Medicare.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16741730/gop-agenda-medicar
e-social-security
It is a natural wonder that you can un-selfconsciously write "baselessly attacking my character and comparing me to Texas Republicans" when there is no substantial difference between you and Republican Congressmen, other than you have less money than them.
Quote:When Walmart announced a wage increase in February 2015 and then another one in January 2016, it was just business. When Walmart increased wages in 2017, it was hailed by the GOP as only happening because of them. Walmart agreed because flattering Trump keeps him focused on his current embrace of hard-right economic policy rather than following through on the populist impulses he voiced on the campaign trail.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I think you're afraid.
You probably should be.
I don't blame you for wanting this idea to never see the light of day.
www.vox.com/explainers/2018/1/25/16904136/corporate-america-tax-cut-ce
lebrations-explained
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Trump asked the Guggenheim Museum to loan an 1888 Vincent Van Gogh, “Landscape with Snow,” to install in the White House. The museum’s curator declined the request but came back with a counteroffer: How about a solid gold toilet? What about Trump's taste made the museum think gold?
www.vox.com/2018/1/25/16933970/trump-white-house-guggenheim-toilet-art
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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I just answered my own question about crappy political policy. Whatever policy is important to the 1% is pushed slowly and resolutely toward making sense by the 1%. Whatever the 99% want will be pushed hither and yon by the turbulent emotions of the 99% during election season. And that is where the number game comes in. What is the emotion that the majority are feeling on election day? That makes the voter King For A Day. But when election season is over, the 1% will be pushing whoever got elected, either D or R politician, for things to go their way on what they care about. Slow and steady wins for the 1%.
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Q & A with Philip Roth, the novelist
Q: Your famous essay “Writing American Fiction” argues that American reality is so crazy that it almost outstrips the writer’s imagination. It was 1960 when you said that. What about now?
Philip Roth: No one I know of has foreseen an America like the one we live in today. No one (except perhaps the acidic H. L. Mencken, who famously described American democracy as “the worship of jackals by jackasses”) could have imagined that the 21st-century catastrophe to befall the U.S.A., the most debasing of disasters, would appear not, say, in the terrifying guise of an Orwellian Big Brother but in the ominously ridiculous commedia dell’arte figure of the boastful buffoon. How naive I was in 1960 to think that I was an American living in preposterous times! How quaint! But then what could I know in 1960 of 1963 or 1968 or 1974 or 2001 or 2016?
Q: Your 2004 novel, “The Plot Against America,” seems eerily prescient today. When that novel came out, some people saw it as a commentary on the Bush administration, but there were nowhere near as many parallels then as there seem to be now.
Philip Roth: However prescient “The Plot Against America” might seem to you, there is surely one enormous difference between the political circumstances I invent there for the U.S. in 1940 and the political calamity that dismays us so today. It’s the difference in stature between a President Lindbergh and a President Trump. Charles Lindbergh, in life as in my novel, may have been a genuine racist and an anti-Semite and a white supremacist sympathetic to Fascism, but he was also — because of the extraordinary feat of his solo trans-Atlantic flight at the age of 25 — an authentic American hero 13 years before I have him winning the presidency. Lindbergh, historically, was the courageous young pilot who in 1927, for the first time, flew nonstop across the Atlantic, from Long Island to Paris. He did it in 33.5 hours in a single-seat, single-engine monoplane, thus making him a kind of 20th-century Leif Ericson, an aeronautical Magellan, one of the earliest beacons of the age of aviation. Trump, by comparison, is a massive fraud, the evil sum of his deficiencies, devoid of everything but the hollow ideology of a megalomaniac.
www.nytimes.com/2018/01/16/books/review/philip-roth-interview.html
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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