The Last Jedi Discussion

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 13, 2018 7:00 AM

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Went to see a Star Wars epic, forced to suffer a Disney TragicComedy.

I continue to plea: for those who have not seen Rogue One, be sure to watch it before forsaking the entire franchise.
But the ending for Rogue One was rewritten to make it more tragic, less comic. In the first script version, too many people survived and it ended too happy. Then Disney brings in another writer (for $5,000,000) and he begins slaughtering characters for the hell of it. Spoiler, spoiler: Wash dies in this movie, too.
www.theverge.com/2017/1/15/14268850/star-wars-rogue-one-reshoots-disne
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I had thought Episode 4 had already specified that many rebel lives had been lost, so the first script was a mistake. The version of R1 which was released was what I recommend. Why couldn't they make the same Salvage of TLJ instead of releasing this dreck?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, January 20, 2018 7:55 PM

Does anybody have a viable explanation for how/why vessels in a Space Fleet are commanded by either Admirals or Generals?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Sunday, January 21, 2018 8:55 PM

I won't pretend to know the hirarchy of command in the military, so I have to ask if you're nit-picking details about how that was done in TLJ, JSF.

My brother who served in Military Intelligence told me quite a few times that the most accurate movie he's ever seen when it comes to the details was Pauly Shore's "In the Army Now". I figured before I said that here that I should at least Google it.

Check this out:

"Why ‘In The Army Now’ Is The Most Realistic Military Movie Ever Made"

https://taskandpurpose.com/army-now-realistic-military-movie-ever-made/

Most of what's in that article isn't even stuff my brother would talk about either. He was mostly impressed about how accurate the gear and rank insignias were and said that most serious military movies that are considered classics today had a lot of mistakes in them when it came to that.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SHINYGOODGUY

Tuesday, January 23, 2018 1:44 PM

We're talking about a galaxy far, far away..............

SGG

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Does anybody have a viable explanation for how/why vessels in a Space Fleet are commanded by either Admirals or Generals?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, January 23, 2018 6:43 PM

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We're talking about a galaxy far, far away..............

SGG

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Does anybody have a viable explanation for how/why vessels in a Space Fleet are commanded by either Admirals or Generals?

Sure, but the ranks mentioned were not Goomitch, Doojobber, Third Kludge, or Vice Preezy.

Generals command land forces and land-based forces, including amphibious forces (like Marines).
Admirals command non-land-based vessels and forces. Like the Navy. And in copies of Star Trek, space fleets.

In TLJ, one scene shows a General commanding, the next is an Admiral.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, January 23, 2018 8:19 PM

lol... when you put it that way, that does seem pretty silly.

The movie was written and directed by douche turds who have been quoted as saying that the Empire is an allegory for the white male patriarchy in America. It's not surprising that nobody on staff was actually in the military.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, January 23, 2018 9:58 PM

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lol... when you put it that way, that does seem pretty silly.

The movie was written and directed by douche turds who have been quoted as saying that the Empire is an allegory for the white male patriarchy in America. It's not surprising that nobody on staff was actually in the military.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Walt Disney must be rolling in his grave.

SECOND

Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:51 PM

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Walt Disney must be rolling in his grave.

No, he is not. Walt made a career plundering centuries old fairy-tales for his cartoon stories. He'd extensively rewrite the tales for the 20th century. It was Hans Christian Andersen who was spinning in his grave after seeing Walt's cartoons. In this century, the Walt Disney Corporation is plundering Star-Wars books for their fairy-tales:

Get ready for a load of new Jedi skills as the space saga expands its universe into a galaxy far, far away from the one created by George Lucas
www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2018/jan/24/new-jedi-mind-tricks-is-
star-wars-slowly-morphing-into-harry-potter-in-space

If you, like me (and apparently Kylo Ren), were a little flabbergasted when Luke Skywalker pulled off his big moment at the close of Star Wars: The Last Jedi, writer-director Rian Johnson has set the record straight. Johnson did not just pluck a new Force power from his box of Jedi mind tricks. As the Looper film-maker revealed on Twitter, he borrowed the new skill from a somewhat obscure 2010 tome titled The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force, and specifically the chapter on advanced Force techniques.

The book reveals that a technique known as “doppelgänger” allows its user to “create a short-lived duplicate of himself or herself or an external object that is visually indistinguishable from the real item”. It adds: “Those who have perfected this ability can create phantoms of any person of their choosing or trick an enemy into seeing more objects, such as droids, than are actually present.”

So there it is: there are apparently a load of new Jedi skills we’ve never witnessed on the big screen. Naysayers might suggest that a film-maker basing key elements of their plot on a companion book is a cop-out. Yet Johnson, who is making a new trilogy of Star Wars movies that will reportedly have nothing whatsoever to do with the Skywalker or Solo dynasties, is clearly scouring the known Galaxy for anything interesting he can find.

What other gems might be lurking in the Jedi manual? If Disney tires of recycling the well-worn Death Star motif, it could consider adding Force-sensitive baddies with the power to use the “Force storm”. This allows users to open a hyperspace wormhole, which can send “tremendous shocks” that “ripple the fabric of space”. According to an annotation in the manual by Skywalker himself, it can be used “to destroy entire worlds”.

On a more whimsical note, there’s also the “art of the small” technique, otherwise known as Ant-Man-plus, whereby users can “shrink to the size of a single atom” and thereby fix ailments in themselves and others, as well as perceive the universe on a molecular level. Or how about the forbidden “Force insanity” technique, which allows users to drive an opponent mad with “sinister energies”?

There is a danger that if Star Wars is suddenly flooded with dozens of new Force abilities, the space saga could morph into a sort of Harry Potter in space, as new dark arts emerge with each installment. But with the saga now aiming to expand into new corners of the galaxy, such a development seems inevitable.

We can hardly blame Johnson for thinking outside the box. One of the biggest complaints fans had about JJ Abrams’ The Force Awakens was that it borrowed too many tired tropes from the original trilogy. Now, one of the biggest complaints fans have about that movie’s sequel is that it used ideas they had never heard of. Disney and Lucasfilm cannot win: Star Wars is such a beloved franchise that any film-maker is likely eventually to upset fans.

After so many years of being figuratively locked in a box, with the creative key thrown away, this venerable saga its now at the mercy of the Hollywood machine. The truth is that we will have to get used to having our visions of what Star Wars ought to be torpedoed as Lucasfilm expands the universe created by George Lucas into a Marvel-style mega-franchise, with gazillions of potential jum

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, January 24, 2018 5:02 PM

Ok, we're talking about a make-believe galaxy, in a make-believe world where people called "Jedi Knights" are involved in a rebellion and fight the opressors with a contraption made of light.

These guys literally fly through the air and confound and confuse their enemies with something called a mind trick. Who gives a kerpoopie what the bastards are called or what rank?

Tell you what.....write to Disney and tell them to cease and desist using the wrong ranks and nomenclature. That should straighten out those ne'er-do-wells.

SGG

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We're talking about a galaxy far, far away..............

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Does anybody have a viable explanation for how/why vessels in a Space Fleet are commanded by either Admirals or Generals?
Sure, but the ranks mentioned were not Goomitch, Doojobber, Third Kludge, or Vice Preezy.

Generals command land forces and land-based forces, including amphibious forces (like Marines).
Admirals command non-land-based vessels and forces. Like the Navy. And in copies of Star Trek, space fleets.

In TLJ, one scene shows a General commanding, the next is an Admiral.

ZEEK

Wednesday, January 24, 2018 10:37 PM

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We can hardly blame Johnson for thinking outside the box. One of the biggest complaints fans had about JJ Abrams’ The Force Awakens was that it borrowed too many tired tropes from the original trilogy. Now, one of the biggest complaints fans have about that movie’s sequel is that it used ideas they had never heard of. Disney and Lucasfilm cannot win: Star Wars is such a beloved franchise that any film-maker is likely eventually to upset fans.

I think that's just a bit too much of a paraphrase of the criticism. I've never heard anyone complain that the ideas in the film were new. It was that the ideas didn't fit. Luke Skywalker's change didn't seem plausible given his character, and they just told us it happened rather than show us reasons and earn the change. A lot of the Star Wars world was changed in ways that didn't make sense. For instance: Ship shield technology apparently changed over night, Ships now have fuel reserves which has never come up before and begs the question why the Empire came up with a complicated plan to disable the Falcon's hyperdrive on cloud city rather than just drain their fuel, The opening crawl of the movie claims the new order "reigns" when the force awakens claims they were a rising power on the fringe of the galaxy...exactly how do they reign when no time passed between films?

There's a lot of stuff in the movie that just doesn't stand up to the slightest bit of questioning. For a lot of people that killed the suspension of disbelief and instead of being an immersive movie it was jarring and disappointing.

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