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Trumps Broken Promises

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SIGNYM

Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:34 PM

Clearly, GSTRING, you're just an un-American troll who has no interest in America. But hey! I'll bet you can quote chapter and verse about the interests of those poor Muslim jihadists ("moderate rebels"), those poor illegal aliens, the multitude of those poor self-identified victim subgroups, and all of those poor victims of "Russian aggression" or "tyranny" without ever ONCE entertaining the thought of "America" or "Americans" as a group worthy of your interest.

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"Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor"- William Blake
THUGR, JONESING FOR WWIII
All those guns 1kiki, are pointed towards your beloved Russia. All those cyber capabilities, pointed right at Russia. Thanks Putin, and get ready to duck.
I'll accept your apology any time, THUGR. But I know you're not man enough to give me one

THGRRI

Thursday, January 18, 2018 9:37 PM

Trump And Lawmakers Got Cash From Payday Lenders, Then Weakened Lending Rules

Less than two months after President Donald Trump tapped his budget director to run the independent federal agency tasked with protecting U.S. consumers from harmful and predatory financial practices, the agency has moved to undo a rule intended to prevent payday lenders from preying on low-income Americans. The reversal — which follows recent congressional proposals with the same objective — is a major win for the $40 billion payday lending industry, which has recently started delivering big money to Trump and to congressional critics of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB).

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trump-lawmakers-got-cash-payd
ay-lenders-then-weakened-lending-rules-2642460

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SECOND

Thursday, January 18, 2018 10:55 PM

What are America’s Interests? It doesn’t have any.

You might want to claim America’s interest is to make Americans happy. Some are happy, some aren’t, but the majority who are happy don’t care to make anybody but themselves happier. Does American interest include making non-Americans happy? If you watched how Americans spend their time and money on international charity, you won’t think most Americans care much about anybody but themselves.

End the possibility of nuclear war as an interest? You won’t think Americans care about that if you count the number of Ban The Bomb protests. Is less military adventurism an interest of Americans? Not if you count how many Americans continue to vote for the same politicians who keep increasing the military budget and certainly not if you consider how many Americans think killing your enemy is a great idea, just as long as you don’t have to kill them yourself.

Possibly the only American Interest is lower taxes and higher public services, but wanting both at the same time cancels out both and the result is American Interest = 0.

If you want to know what America’s Interest is, don’t pay any attention to what Americans say it is, because they talk too much and indulge themselves with fantasies about how wonderful they are in person. Only pay attention to what Americans do.

Here is an American talking about how wonderful he is:

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Yanno, you have NEVER addressed our American interests. Are you sure that you're really American, and that you have our interests at heart? - SIGNY

Yeah, I thought not. - SIGNY

Here's a perfect example of what a nutcase, sham you are. You ask a question and wait 12 minutes for an answer and since I'm busy with RL, you can't hold your bladder so you make up an answer for me. (Of course it's wrong, but whatever - accuracy and honesty have never been your thing).

SIGGY = Russia First, above all things.

Here's a question: what are Russia's interests?- GSTRING
Here's a perfect example of what a fraud and a liar YOU are: I have asked this question, on and off, for OVER EIGHT MONTHS.

I have asked YOU, GSTRING, specifically, and your cohort of know-nothing trolls specifically, individually, collectively and generally, and - not having gotten an answer from ANY of you- I crEated a thread BACK IN NOVEMBER for this question. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60986 and have not gotten an answer from YOU, GSTRING, nor from any of your cohort of know-nothing trolls (sockpuppets?) despire the fact that I have asked this question repeatedly before, during and after that thread.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT I HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION MULTIPLE TIMES FOR OVER A YEAR. YOU CAN'T PRETEND THAT YOU'VE NEVER SEEN THIS QUESTION BEFORE WITHOUT LOOKING LIKE THE LIAR, JACKASS, IDIOT, AND TROLL THAT YOU ARE.

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT AN ANSWER. This was not a snap quiz on an unfamiliar question and ... damn- YOU MANAGED TO AVOID THE QUESTION, AGAIN.

My impression is- YOU REALLY DON'T CARE ABOUT AMERICAN'S INTERESTS. You and your cohort of know-nothing trolls (sockpuppets?) don't give a FUCK about America. What are you - RUSSIAN?

So, ANSWER THE QUESTION, GSTRING. Put some thought and some heart into thinking about the future of YOUR "FELLOW AMERICANS" (if indeed you really are American).

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 19, 2018 5:18 AM

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What are America’s Interests? It doesn’t have any.

You might want to claim America’s interest is to make Americans happy. Some are happy, some aren’t, but the majority who are happy don’t care to make anybody but themselves happier. Does American interest include making non-Americans happy? If you watched how Americans spend their time and money on international charity, you won’t think most Americans care much about anybody but themselves.

End the possibility of nuclear war as an interest? You won’t think Americans care about that if you count the number of Ban The Bomb protests. Is less military adventurism an interest of Americans? Not if you count how many Americans continue to vote for the same politicians who keep increasing the military budget and certainly not if you consider how many Americans think killing your enemy is a great idea, just as long as you don’t have to kill them yourself.

Possibly the only American Interest is lower taxes and higher public services, but wanting both at the same time cancels out both and the result is American Interest = 0.

If you want to know what America’s Interest is, don’t pay any attention to what Americans say it is, because they talk too much and indulge themselves with fantasies about how wonderful they are in person. Only pay attention to what Americans do.

lol... geez Second. I think you've been spending too much time around me.

I'm not sure if you've changed tactics just to argue or my pragmatism and nihilism have been chipping away at you over the course of my sobriety.

The only change I'd make to that entire post is swapping in the word Human for American.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, January 19, 2018 6:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

lol... geez Second. I think you've been spending too much time around me.

I'm not sure if you've changed tactics just to argue or my pragmatism and nihilism have been chipping away at you over the course of my sobriety.

The only change I'd make to that entire post is swapping in the word Human for American.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It was a tactic to get Signym to tell us what America's Interests are. Making an extreme claim that there are no Interests would launch a rebuttal, I had hoped. But so far there's nothing. Do Michigan and the province of Ontario share interests? More than Michigan and Texas. So how do you decide what the American Interest is when the different states have such different local interests? To have some agreement between all 50 states, American Interests will have to be pretty damn small and inconsequential and generic. You'd have to substitute "Human" Interest for "American" Interest.

Generic American Interests expressed in a Coke Commercial:

SIGNYM

Friday, January 19, 2018 6:56 PM

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lol... geez Second. I think you've been spending too much time around me.

I'm not sure if you've changed tactics just to argue or my pragmatism and nihilism have been chipping away at you over the course of my sobriety.

The only change I'd make to that entire post is swapping in the word Human for American.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

It was a tactic to get Signym to tell us what America's Interests are.

SECOND, you've got to be effing shitting me. IF there is ONE THING that I've posted about and provoked about, it is: WHAT ARE AMERICA'S INTERESTS?

I have posted about that over and over and over...

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Democrats should be willing to prosecute banksters for fraud, rein in the Fed, negotiate with drug companies for lower prices, increase manufacturing at home, and stop meddling abroad
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61954&p=7

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Don't forget SECOND that under Saint Obama, the wealth gap kept increasing at the same rate as under Bush.

I personally think that ....

1) We need to be more self-sufficient for security and "ruggedness" purposes. That means that there should be the fewest possible "critical" commodities and supplies NOT made here. We're lucky enough to have agricultural land, water, metals, minerals and forests, and with wise stewardship we should have enough resources for the foreseeable future. Yes, there are some strategic metals that we don't have here, but we should be able to trade for those, not be dependent on other nations' largesse.

2) Our trade should be nearly balanced. It's a problem to be in perpetual trade debt; but it's also a problem being in perpetual trade surplus because then you're dependent on external markets.

3) Our wealth should be more evenly distributed, and not because of government handouts but through meaningful work available to everyone who wants to work. That fosters a mentality of self-reliance, not dependence on "government" or other centralized entity.

4) That will probably lead to reduced efficiency, but "efficiency" is a dangerous metric for judging an economy. Maximal efficiency leads to maximal fragility. Robust ecologies have multiple overlapping niches, allowing some to "fill in" for others which may suddenly go missing.

There are a series of policies that need to be implemented to get from "here" to "there": Tariffs, government loans to key industries, control of the Fed, revival of our infrastructure, change in tax structure etc etc. It would require such a comprehensive approach that no President could accomplish it in four - or eight- years, and it's extremely unlikely to occur, but I believe that it's necessary to bring the economy back in service to the American people, and not the other way around.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62099

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One of the things that makes Switzerland great is that it doesn't start wars.
It is famous for its neutrality/ isolationism, and doesn't belong to NATO or any other military alliance.
It does plan for its own defense and internal security.
Also, it has a balanced economy of manufacturing, agriculture, technology and finance.
It doesn't impose its currency as the world reserve/ petrodollar and never adopted the Euro.
It has tough immigration and residency laws.
It has a positive to neutral trade balance.
However, it's financial system is pretty dodgy.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61482

AND ESPECIALLY HERE "What are American's interests?" ... a thread in which you famously dodged and weaved and failed to engage IN THE TOPIC

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AND NOW ... to America's interests.

Definitionally, I argue that "America's interests" are Americans' interests.

Not the interests of the vanishingly tiny but extremely powerful elite, and not the interest of some nation far-

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SIGNYM

Friday, January 19, 2018 9:30 PM

bump for SECOND

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, January 19, 2018 9:33 PM

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lol... geez Second. I think you've been spending too much time around me.

I'm not sure if you've changed tactics just to argue or my pragmatism and nihilism have been chipping away at you over the course of my sobriety.

The only change I'd make to that entire post is swapping in the word Human for American.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
It was a tactic to get Signym to tell us what America's Interests are.

Ah... changing tactics just to argue it is. Make sure to recognize that I was aware of what you were doing here, the next time that you decide that you want to call me a simpleton. The other lug-nuts around here should take notice too.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

SECOND

Friday, January 19, 2018 9:34 PM

Good grief, Signym, you write too much. You're too in love with the sound of your own voice. I was thinking more along the lines that America's Interest is a short sentence: "No American shall live in Poverty." The actual figure is umpteen million. That's because there isn't an American Interest. A majority of Americans have never been poor and they have an antipathy to the poor. I don't see how you, Signym, will make hundreds of millions of Americans discover that they have something in common with the poor. It just can't happen in this American Democracy. www.census.gov/topics/income-poverty/poverty.html

I should probably give two tangible examples from today: Water was flowing in a gusher from under some old lady's house because the frozen pipe thawed. It was none of my business but I fixed that, although I did get wet and dirty this morning. Another old lady, this one I actually knew before today, needs $31,000 (actual cost is $41,911) to get her out of credit card debt. If she comes by the office with the paperwork to prove the need, I will write the check. Fat Cat Trump needs to writes some checks and get his hands and clothes dirty, too. That is how promises are kept. It is never by writing about it on twitter or running your mouth on TV like Trump does.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 19, 2018 11:52 PM

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Good grief, Signym, you write too much.= SECOND

Good grief, SECOND, you LIE too much. First you say that I haven't told you what I think America's interests are

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It was a tactic to get Signym to tell us what America's Interests are- SECOND

Then you tell me that I told you too much

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Good grief, Signym, you write too much.- SECOND

So, which lie am I supposed to respond to?

America's interests can't be reduced to a sound bite, even if that's all your poor little head can hold.

But for the record, "charity" is not the answer to our common problems. If you had read and understood my tagline about "pity being no more if we did not MAKE men poor" then you'd have known that already. But since you're in the business of making men poor, I guess it's not in your interest to realize that.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876