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Draining The Swamp

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 10, 2018 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Dude, I apologize for my surliness.

No worries. It happens.

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I'm just sick of Trump. Period. I'm sick of hearing about Hilary this and Obama that. Fucking guy has absolutely nothing to say about his "accomplishments" so he shoots off his mouth about those two that has nothing to do with anything. They are no longer in the picture. He won and it's been a year and he's still talking shit about Hilary and Obama. Fucking move on already, you are the president.

It's hard for a lot of us to move on, and for us to not be happy that Hillary is not in despite what is going on today. Obama was very bad for a lot of us. Hillary at the very least would have continued that trajectory.

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Well, he's taking credit for something. You say it doesn't exist, fine. But he's taking credit for it. I didn't make it up, he said it.

I know you didn't make it up. I've said here anybody who says things like the unemployment rate is good now is just as full of shit as anybody who said it at any point during the Obama administration.

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Never said YOU said anything. I'm just making a statement, a sarcastic statement.
I think he sucks, BIG TIME! That's all.

Well that's apparent. But it sure sounded like you were directing the question at me when referring to me as "great one", as if I am symbolic of everything wrong with the world because I voted for Trump. That attitude is probably the biggest reason Trump won.

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Well now, let's see. When Bush handed Obama the keys to the White House, the economy was pretty much in the toilet. And it lasted well into 2009-10. I looked it up on my phone and, according to the NY Times, the recession ended in Sept. 2010. The recession lasted 18 MONTHS (previous recession lasted 16 months in the 80s).

Written by a bunch of suits who were doing just fine. The article certainly wasn't written by the nearly 60% of people who are working below the federal poverty level now.

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Of course, that doesn't mean much to the average Joe that actually works for a living. I make about the same now as I did back in 2008, at the end of the Bush era.

No it doesn't mean much. Congratulations on at least keeping your old salary and only losing to inflation for 9 years. Most of us who lost our jobs around that time are making a fraction of what we used to make and there still is no fix for that in sight.

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But here's another little tidbit:

"In December 2007, the national unemployment rate was 5.0 percent, and it had been at or below that rate for the previous 30 months. At the end of the recession, in June 2009, it was 9.5 percent. In the months after the recession, the unemployment rate peaked at 10.0 percent (in October 2009)."

As I said, unemployment numbers are bullshit. They do not count anybody who hasn't gotten a job after benefits run out, and they consider a part time job for peanuts a suitable replacement for a full time livable wage with benefits.

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I could go on, but you get the picture. As much as any president could take credit or, be blamed for, the rise and fall of the economy, well there you have it. Do we have more money in our pockets? No. But that goes towards the companies and owners not sharing in their new found wealth. And now you say that we'll see a little more in our pay envelopes. Let's see what happens. Still though, you know that's only temporary....

The Tax Reform Bill is so new that economists haven't had a chance to go through it to see exactly how it would impact the economy. So, the jury's still out. But I've heard that it could increase the deficit by $1.5 Trillion, forcing the government to raise taxes down the line. I believe I heard reports that by 2025 the tax benefits would cease and that to make up the deficit, in addition to raising taxes,
Congress will look to cut Me

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SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:43 PM

Hey Six,

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It's hard for a lot of us to move on, and for us to not be happy that Hillary is not in despite what is going on today. Obama was very bad for a lot of us. Hillary at the very least would have continued that trajectory.

Okay, I'm gonna lay it down gently.....NO!!! Don't care that she lost; I have moved on, I'm not bitter about her losing, FUCK IT! She lost....END of STORY!
If I could vote for Obama again, I would have. But I'm facing reality....Trump, ugh, won. So now it's time to be president, not a little fucking kid throwing a temper tantrum.

What I wish for most of all, is for Trump to shut the fuck up, roll up his sleeves and get to work. Stop with Hilary this and Obama that. ENOUGH! You are the president, you dumb fuck! Act like it!

I say this much, Hilary would not have us on the verge of Nuclear War. That's it, that's all I have to say about her. And still you don't get it about Obama, do you? Well, you have your way of thinking and I have mine.
No matter what I say, you're convinced that the country finished up worse off. That's debatable, anyone could say that the fix was in. But, consider this.....all that money that the corporations made - from the stock market and beyond - what you're saying is that Obama is to blame? Obama forced those companies to not pay their employees.

And the banks....before Obama took office....you know that the Bush Administration gave them cart blanche, right? Obama bailed out the Auto Industry. You do remember that, right? Was it to benefit the large auto corporations that were failing? What about the thousands of avergae Joes working at those plants? The guys like you and me. I suppose you have a negative to match that, don't you?

I don't know all of the little negatives you come up with regarding Obama. But I do know that Trump fucked with him, in ways that you just don't do.
And with all of that fucking mess, he still treated Trump with dignity; which, IMHO, he didn't deserve. Trump is a classless piece of shit, and he will get his sooner or later. He can't help himself. Now, that's no reflection upon you. Of course, you have to follow what you believe in. You have to trust your instincts no matter what anyone says. I trust my own and I don't care what anyone says. In the long run, I have to live with myself.

Did Obama make mistakes. Of course he did.
Is Trump making mistakes. Of course he is.

I will leave it at that.

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I know you didn't make it up. I've said here anybody who says things like the unemployment rate is good now is just as full of shit as anybody who said it at any point during the Obama administration.

Okay, here's a good rule of thumb: All of it is bullshit for ALL presidents.
All the data that is presented doesn't mean shit because it's all rigged. Hmmm, where have I heard that before? So, the numbers for Obama AND Trump doesn't mean a thing, zip, nada, zilch, zero. So no president can claim victory in that sense. Good, glad we cleared that up.

NEXT!

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Well that's apparent. But it sure sounded like you were directing the question at me when referring to me as "great one", as if I am symbolic of everything wrong with the world because I voted for Trump. That attitude is probably the biggest reason Trump won.

Well, that line about "great one" that did sound a bit accusatory...I'll give you that one. That wasn't really meant for you. I know, it sounds like a lame excuse, but allow me to explain. I usually use that expression with Kiki and Siggy because of how they come off sounding so superior. Like they know it all. So, I take that back. I was steaming along and got carried away. Of course, you have every right to vote for who you want. And NO, I don't think that my attitude (and those like-minded individuals) have anything to do with Trump winning. I have a different theory about that, but the jury's still out on that one, so I

6IXSTRINGJACK

Wednesday, January 10, 2018 6:32 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Hey Six,

Okay, I'm gonna lay it down gently.....NO!!! Don't care that she lost; I have moved on, I'm not bitter about her losing, FUCK IT! She lost....END of STORY!

Hey SGG,

I get it. It's the same way I felt after the last two elections that Obama won. No need to explain yourself to me there.

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If I could vote for Obama again, I would have.

Well at least you can say that. I voted against GWB his second term, and I sure as hell wouldn't have voted for him a third time.

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But I'm facing reality....Trump, ugh, won. So now it's time to be president, not a little fucking kid throwing a temper tantrum.

What I wish for most of all, is for Trump to shut the fuck up, roll up his sleeves and get to work. Stop with Hilary this and Obama that. ENOUGH! You are the president, you dumb fuck! Act like it!

I agree to a point. I was a fan of his Twitter account before the election. I've said on more than one occasion here since he's been president that his wife should take his phone privileges away from him though.

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I say this much, Hilary would not have us on the verge of Nuclear War. That's it, that's all I have to say about her.

Does anybody really believe we're at the brink of war right now? I sleep fine at night. Shit. Maybe that's the benefit to making just enough money at a shitty job to scrape by. No time to worry about the bullshit when there's actually real shit to worry about.

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And still you don't get it about Obama, do you? Well, you have your way of thinking and I have mine.

Sure. I don't expect to really change your mind about anything. I'm just wondering what it is that you think I don't get.

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No matter what I say, you're convinced that the country finished up worse off. That's debatable, anyone could say that the fix was in. But, consider this.....all that money that the corporations made - from the stock market and beyond - what you're saying is that Obama is to blame? Obama forced those companies to not pay their employees.

Financially speaking I think we finished a lot worse off, mainly because of quantatative easing. I don't deny GWB had a large role in that before Obama was in office. I have a LOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGGGG history here of bitching about GWB while he was president for that very reason, among others.

As far as employment goes, it is just a LOT worse than it was 10 years ago. I'm not joking man. I'm working part time for the same wage I was making back in the late 90s. But this is only part time with no benefits, and back then I was full time with benefits. And gas only cost around a buck a gallon. I would have to work 4 to 5 years at my current job to make what I used to make before I was laid off in 2009.

Is that all Obama's fault. Of course not. I don't deal in absolutes. What I'm sick of hearing though is how great he was for the economy. Obama didn't start the fire, but he sure as hell didn't put it out either. End of story.

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Trump is a classless piece of shit, and he will get his sooner or later. He can't help himself. Now, that's no reflection upon you. Of course, you have to follow what you believe in. You have to trust your instincts no matter what anyone says. I trust my own and I don't care what anyone says. In the long run, I have to live with myself.

Well, at the end of the day, my vote didn't even matter. I'm in one of the states that were a lock no matter what I did. I always beat myself up afterward for not voting for Daffy Duck.

I was a huge Trump supporter before the election. Most of that was just because I was not at all happy with the direction the country had been taking for the later half of my life. I saw Hillary as continuing on that path and Trump well.... not.

It's still too early to really make up my mind on any of that.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, January 10, 2018 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Dude, I apologize for my surliness.

I'm just sick of Trump. Period. I'm sick of hearing about Hilary this and Obama that. Fucking guy has absolutely nothing to say about his "accomplishments" so he shoots off his mouth about those two that has nothing to do with anything. They are no longer in the picture. He won and it's been a year and he's still talking shit about Hilary and Obama. Fucking move on already, you are the president.

Ok, enough of that rant.

Well, he's taking credit for something. You say it doesn't exist, fine. But he's taking credit for it. I didn't make it up, he said it. Next:
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I didn't say he was. In fact, I'd be surprised if somebody could actually dig up a quote where I ever said that he was.

Never said YOU said anything. I'm just making a statement, a sarcastic statement.
I think he sucks, BIG TIME! That's all.
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No. He didn't. Because the economy isn't any better since 2008-2009.

Well now, let's see. When Bush handed Obama the keys to the White House, the economy was pretty much in the toilet. And it lasted well into 2009-10. I looked it up on my phone and, according to the NY Times, the recession ended in Sept. 2010. The recession lasted 18 MONTHS (previous recession lasted 16 months in the 80s).

According to The Economist, April 15, 2010:
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The recession
When did it end?
A question of not just academic interest
Apr 15th 2010 | Washington, dc

THE American recession is over. In the summer of 2009 real GDP and industrial production hit bottom and resumed growth, and expansion in both measures strengthened as the year ended. Industrial production has continued to grow in early 2010 as, in all likelihood, has output. By the end of the current quarter the American economy may have returned to its pre-recession peak in real GDP.
Most economists agree about all of this. Prominent voices like Northwestern University's Robert Gordon, Harvard's Jeffrey Frankel, and Stanford's Robert Hall have declared the recession dead and gone. But those men all sit on the National Bureau of Economic Research's recession-dating committee, responsible for pinpointing the beginning and end of business cycles. On April 12th that committee announced that it was not able to set an official end-date for the American recession.

That a date has not yet been chosen is not that unusual; the committee has taken longer to decide in past recessions. The choice to delay a conclusive statement may have been an act of caution, to avoid a black eye in the event that the economy contracts again before reaching its previous peak.

But the suggestion that the economic pain is not yet definitively over struck a discordant note amid cheerier headlines. Earlier in the month this paper expressed the hope that a needed transition in the American economy had begun, and others have gone further. The New York Times and Washington Post have both featured business columnists arguing that Americans are too pessimistic about the strength of the economy. BusinessWeek praised the success of Obamanomics on its cover. Newsweek's cover announced, “America's Back! The Remarkable Tale of Our Economic Turnaround”.

Some optimism is warranted. Recent data indicate that recovery in manufacturing is well established, and service-industry expansion has picked up pace in each of the past three months. Labour markets are finally improving; during the first quarter of this year employment grew by 162,000 or 1.4m, depending on which data set you use. And investors have bought the idea of recovery. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has risen by over 10% since early February, and recently closed above 11,000 for the first time since September 2008.

But full-throated cheerleading is premature. By Mr Gordon's calculations, much of the data point to June 2009 as the likely recession end-date. Since then the American economy has seen a net deterioration in emplo

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JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, January 11, 2018 2:26 AM

I thought this was the thread about Trump's successes.
Bit of a turnabout.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, January 19, 2018 4:50 PM

All this in a year.............Wow! Trump IS a miracle worker.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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I understand that under Trump, black unemployment has fallen to the lowest level in 17 years.

I am shocked, just shocked I say, that I have not heard the MSM uncover this fact.
Also, black homeownership is now at the highest level, ever.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, January 19, 2018 5:06 PM

This thread is about Trump's promises, mainly draining the swamp. It's in the title. This is a campaign promise, you know, the type ALL politicians make. The type that fill the swamp, which is to say the type he promised to drain.

So, I'm wondering.......is he practicing to "drain" the swamp by doing exactly how the "politicians" do it...you know, so he knows how they fill it, to then drain it. That must be it. That has to be it. Oh, now I see. You know, I take it back, he IS a smart man.

In order to drain it, he first needs to know how they fill the swamp. I have to compliment Trump, I would have never thought of doing it that way. So he IS a genius. Wow, who'd of thunk it.

Boy, do I have egg on my face. He's using reverse psychology. Make that man president....now we're talking. Make America Great Again! Now I get it!
He's really showing "us" just how the real "politicians" do it, then he's going to expose all those phony baloneys. Gee Whiz, Gosh almighty....he's
a gosh darn wizard, he is.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought this was the thread about Trump's successes.
Bit of a turnabout.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, January 19, 2018 5:12 PM

You know, it's a little bit funny.....here I thought you would follow in the footsteps of your favorite buddies, SIG and Keeks. What I mean is, they insist heavily upon folks "citing" stuff, you know, attributing statements with facts, so as to legitimize and back up claims.

I thought you would approve and be satisfied that I backed up my claims with these little facts. Normally I just comment, but I really wanted to sound so much like those two geniuses. Was it too much? I could never really tell if I went too far.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Dude, I apologize for my surliness.

I'm just sick of Trump. Period. I'm sick of hearing about Hilary this and Obama that. Fucking guy has absolutely nothing to say about his "accomplishments" so he shoots off his mouth about those two that has nothing to do with anything. They are no longer in the picture. He won and it's been a year and he's still talking shit about Hilary and Obama. Fucking move on already, you are the president.

Ok, enough of that rant.

Well, he's taking credit for something. You say it doesn't exist, fine. But he's taking credit for it. I didn't make it up, he said it. Next:
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I didn't say he was. In fact, I'd be surprised if somebody could actually dig up a quote where I ever said that he was.

Never said YOU said anything. I'm just making a statement, a sarcastic statement.
I think he sucks, BIG TIME! That's all.
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No. He didn't. Because the economy isn't any better since 2008-2009.

Well now, let's see. When Bush handed Obama the keys to the White House, the economy was pretty much in the toilet. And it lasted well into 2009-10. I looked it up on my phone and, according to the NY Times, the recession ended in Sept. 2010. The recession lasted 18 MONTHS (previous recession lasted 16 months in the 80s).

According to The Economist, April 15, 2010:
Quote:
The recession
When did it end?
A question of not just academic interest
Apr 15th 2010 | Washington, dc

THE American recession is over. In the summer of 2009 real GDP and industrial production hit bottom and resumed growth, and expansion in both measures strengthened as the year ended. Industrial production has continued to grow in early 2010 as, in all likelihood, has output. By the end of the current quarter the American economy may have returned to its pre-recession peak in real GDP.
Most economists agree about all of this. Prominent voices like Northwestern University's Robert Gordon, Harvard's Jeffrey Frankel, and Stanford's Robert Hall have declared the recession dead and gone. But those men all sit on the National Bureau of Economic Research's recession-dating committee, responsible for pinpointing the beginning and end of business cycles. On April 12th that committee announced that it was not able to set an official end-date for the American recession.

That a date has not yet been chosen is not that unusual; the committee has taken longer to decide in past recessions. The choice to delay a conclusive statement may have been an act of caution, to avoid a black eye in the event that the economy contracts again before reaching its previous peak.

But the suggestion that the economic pain is not yet definitively over struck a discordant note amid cheerier headlines. Earlier in the month this paper expressed the hope that a needed transition in the American economy had begun, and others have gone further. The New York Times and Washington Post have both featured business columnists arguing that Americans are too pessimistic about the strength of the economy. BusinessWeek praised the success of Obamanomics on its cover. Newsweek's cover announced, “America's Back! The Remarkable Tale of Our Economic Turnaround”.

Some optimism is warranted. Recent data indicate that recovery in manufacturing is well established, and service-industry expansion has picked up pace in

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SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:53 PM

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I am not sure if this is a masterpiece of cut and paste.

Yes. Yes, it was a masterpiece. Thank you for noticing.
One question though: Do you have this same attitude towards Keeks and Siggy when they do it? You do realize that they always ask for cites and statements of fact, to support whatever claims are made, right?

SGG

SHINYGOODGUY

Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:04 PM

I revisited this thread because I'm still scratching my head on this comment.
You know me as an individual who creates critiques on the communication of the day, especially those made by the obnoxious - namely, in this case, Trump.

I don't think my answer was complete. How did you not get my gist from the comment I made? Anyway, if you didn't know from the thread topic, then surely you could have guessed it from the author of the thread.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought this was the thread about Trump's successes.
Bit of a turnabout.