The Last Jedi Discussion
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This discussion thread is for those who have seen The Last Jedi and want to comment on the movie.
SPOILERS .................
Please only proceed if you have seen it.
Spoilers!!!!!!!!
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There is much to love in this movie, but, at the same time, much to hate and still more to say WTF?
I did not like the Luke storyline. It felt awkward and completely wrong. Luke looking to kill his nephew? Where's that get fun? It seemed out of character for him. Now I know why Hamill disagreed with Johnson. I could see Luke not wanting to train any other Jedis, but looking to kill....it's just not in his nature. That could have been handled differently. The self doubt was good, but he did not behave like a Jedi.
General Hux - the actor was way over the top and acted like a buffoon. I was not impressed. Rose acted too much like a fan girl, and the love interest part was forced somewhat. She was just okay. Boyega as Finn, perfect yet again, but he was somewhat wasted, as was Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma. An actress of her talents needs to have more to do than pose in a costume. Oscar Isaac as Poe was excellent as well.
More to come later............
SGG
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
This discussion thread is for those who have seen The Last Jedi and want to comment on the movie.
SPOILERS .................
Please only proceed if you have seen it.
Spoilers!!!!!!!!
SGG
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Quote:I agree with Hamill's disagreement with every aspect of Luke in TLJ. His reluctance to train other Jedi was as already known, right? But it could have had a reasonable basis, instead of this petulant script.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
There is much to love in this movie, but, at the same time, much to hate and still more to say WTF?
I did not like the Luke storyline. It felt awkward and completely wrong. Luke looking to kill his nephew? Where's that get fun? It seemed out of character for him. Now I know why Hamill disagreed with Johnson. I could see Luke not wanting to train any other Jedis, but looking to kill....it's just not in his nature. That could have been handled differently. The self doubt was good, but he did not behave like a Jedi.
General Hux - the actor was way over the top and acted like a buffoon. I was not impressed. Rose acted too much like a fan girl, and the love interest part was forced somewhat. She was just okay. Boyega as Finn, perfect yet again, but he was somewhat wasted, as was Gwendoline Christie as Captain Phasma. An actress of her talents needs to have more to do than pose in a costume. Oscar Isaac as Poe was excellent as well.
More to come later............
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SGG
Poe. I can't tell if the portrayal was a caricature, or if the role was written that way. Seemed they tried to copy the impertinence of Han Solo, but Solo was not military, not involved in The Rebellion, but was clever. I acknowledge I was not enamored of Poe in TFA, but he was OK - this time he was mostly annoying. I cannot think of one Poe sequence which was written well here.
Finn? Walking around in a sloshy squirting contraption? Show me one thing in Episodes I - VI which compares. That belongs in a lame version of Spaceballs, or a poor imitation of Ghostbusters. Where does this derivative crap come from, and how does it get into a Star Wars film, surviving the Cutting Room? And they had an extra 40 minutes of this dreck that was trimmed from the Director's Cut? I'd have nightmares imagining what that could have been.
I can hope that Rose's hot sister Paige gets more roles.
Benicio's role? Ugh.
Why does a Porg scream "product placement" to me? I don't recall Coke cans in A New Hope.
Aside, I just noticed Daisy has many pics online where she looks like Keira Knightley, yet she's not allowed to look that regal in the film.
I found Rose to be charming. By the time she saves Finn, I had about forgot the The Force of Good growing on what we Love, rather than our anger feeding the Darkside. But she reminded us.
I didn't really think that a fangirl would so readily throw her idol into prison.
The jaunt to the casino? Gimme a break.
Bombers? Moving in a group to make an easy target? There are reasons ordinance-heavy craft move slower and are less agile in atmo - none of which applies in space. Same with maneuvering/attacking in space. This was incredibly insipid. How did they achieve interstellar space flight and remain morons? Only in the minds of insipid scriptwriters. No Heinleins in that crowd.
What else have you seen Gwendolyn Christie in?
Although Smoke seems an excursion of CGI experimentation, I'm not sold on the character. Fortunately I won't be bothered further.
We eventually learned of the reasoning behind Luke's great connection to The Force. Although less so for Anakin in Episode I. But is there a story for Rey? No indication she was immaculately conceived like Anakin.
In retroflection I recall that character development of Beebee droid seemed drawn out in TFA, but that seems utterly extravagant compared to the motion-stop coherence of TLJ.
I'm beginning to wonder if the entirety was a spoof of Star Wars.
I must believe the Box Office is merely based upon the entirety of the franchise, and the hope coming from TFA, the potential that TLJ could have been. How did this get decent reviews from the critic sites? What children reside there?
Perhaps the biggest mistake? The Ma
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I have an idea.
Let's recount the scenes from The Last Jedi which were worthwhile.
It should be a short list, compared to the others.
These would be scenes which, without regard to the story arc, would fit in, mesh with what we saw in Episodes IV - VI. If your assertion is challenged, be prepared to offer examples.
Off the top of my head:
General/Admiral Holdo saves the day.
Rose saves Finn.
Luke at the Cave Showdown, vs. Kylo.
Rey opening the backdoor of the Cave.
Paige Tico releasing the ordinance.
Beebee droid spewing coins as an offensive weapon.
Gen Hux thinking the loss of Supreme Ruler means he is in charge, then being reminded where the Power resides - perhaps the best scene for this character.
Rose zapping Finn, trying to use an escape pod.
Replaying the R2D2 Hologram message from Princess Leia to Obi-wan.
Luke on Millennium Falcon, and with Chewbacca.
Rose figuring out how the active crack ng works, when nobody else bothers.
Millennium Falcon flying shots.
Who else can think of others?
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Some liked the humor, while others thought it fell flat. I agree on both counts; some of the humor was funny, and yet other scenes fell flat.
The opening sequence, the battle at the very begining it was funny and fitting for the character Poe. Did it belong in a Star Wars movie. There were those that didn't like it. I liked it.
But the "milking" scene I could have done without.
Loved the "Kamikaze" mission by Holdo.
The Paige Tico scene was well done.
Luke in the Falcon with Chewie
R2 D2 showing Luke the Leia "Obi Wan" hologram (I almost cried)
Luke kissing Leia on the forehead, awesome scene
Luke facing the First Order/Kylo Ren Cave Showdown
Luke and Chewie "where's Han" scene
Luke and Yoda
Rey and Kylo facing the Pretorian Guards on Snoke's ship
Some of the editing was great, and some not so much. Somewhat uneven, as I stated before.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have an idea.
Let's recount the scenes from The Last Jedi which were worthwhile.
It should be a short list, compared to the others.
These would be scenes which, without regard to the story arc, would fit in, mesh with what we saw in Episodes IV - VI. If your assertion is challenged, be prepared to offer examples.
Off the top of my head:
General/Admiral Holdo saves the day.
Rose saves Finn.
Luke at the Cave Showdown, vs. Kylo.
Rey opening the backdoor of the Cave.
Paige Tico releasing the ordinance.
Beebee droid spewing coins as an offensive weapon.
Gen Hux thinking the loss of Supreme Ruler means he is in charge, then being reminded where the Power resides - perhaps the best scene for this character.
Rose zapping Finn, trying to use an escape pod.
Replaying the R2D2 Hologram message from Princess Leia to Obi-wan.
Luke on Millennium Falcon, and with Chewbacca.
Rose figuring out how the active crack ng works, when nobody else bothers.
Millennium Falcon flying shots.
Who else can think of others?
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I just saw a 30 second clip of TLJ with droid Beebee and Imperial black droid, and some storm troopers. Oh, wait, it's actually a commercial for Verizon.
Why am I not so surprised the commercial had more action than the film?
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The best WTF?! moment has to be Rey handing Luke his lightsabre - only to see him toss it away!
I loved BB-8 in TFA and even more in TLJ - such personality! He's every bit as clever and handy as Artoo ever was, a worthy successor.
But I am not convinced Ren told Rey the truth about her parents; I think at least one had to be a Force-sensitive. Would the idea that she's Luke's daughter be too obvious?
How the hell did Ren conceal his intent of betraying his master from Snoke? That was straight out of the book of the Sith - hard to believe Snoke could be taken down so easily. Didn't see that coming...nor did Snoke, apparently...!
And I still want to know who Snoke was, and why Darth Sidious never sensed him - and how did Maz acquire Luke's lightsabre?!
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The best WTF?! moment has to be Rey handing Luke his lightsabre - only to see him toss it away!
I agree, it was bizarre; unless Disney plans to do away with the Jedi and lightsabres, that was one of the more ridiculous moments in the film - bar none! Luke Skywalker and lightsabres go together like ham and eggs. That could have been handled differently: 1) To show Luke's reluctance to wield a lightsabre ever again, he could have went quietly to his chambers and locked it away.
or
2) Hand it back to her and swear off of lightsabres. Well, you get my meaning. That lightsabre is too important to just toss aside. Too much rich history and power in that lightsabre. I thought, for a moment, that Luke was testing her, you know like a Jedi mind trick.
I'll tell you one good reason why it didn't work; it was 2 years in between takes. First, it was out of character for Luke. And two, for that "gag" to work it would have made more sense to do it in one take.
"She climbs the mountain, hands him the lightsabre; he tosses it over his shoulders" ...and scene. I wouldn't write it that way, but I can't understand why Johnson would write such a scene. Perhaps answers will come in Episode 9. I know, I'm stretching it; but I don't understand it.
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I loved BB-8 in TFA and even more in TLJ - such personality! He's every bit as clever and handy as Artoo ever was, a worthy successor.
Agreed. Lots of personality.
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But I am not convinced Ren told Rey the truth about her parents; I think at least one had to be a Force-sensitive. Would the idea that she's Luke's daughter be too obvious?
I had the same feeling as I was watching it unfold. Kylo was using the Sith mind trick trying to seduce Rey to come over to the dark side. But she was having none of it. That's why I get the feeling she may have some Skywalker blood in her, because she's a "powerful Jedi" and was dead sure of herself that she would not turn. Just like Luke in 4,5 & 6.
But here's a theory I heard on the internet: that Rey and, quite possibly, others are born being force sensitive and only of need of training. Remember the scene in the cave when Rey saw a reflection of herself. Much like Luke in the tree in TESB, Episode 5. Well, it seems that Disney wants to move away from our old heroes and present new ones; to continue the franchise.
SGG
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Originally posted by Anonymouse:
The best WTF?! moment has to be Rey handing Luke his lightsabre - only to see him toss it away!
I loved BB-8 in TFA and even more in TLJ - such personality! He's every bit as clever and handy as Artoo ever was, a worthy successor.
But I am not convinced Ren told Rey the truth about her parents; I think at least one had to be a Force-sensitive. Would the idea that she's Luke's daughter be too obvious?
How the hell did Ren conceal his intent of betraying his master from Snoke? That was straight out of the book of the Sith - hard to believe Snoke could be taken down so easily. Didn't see that coming...nor did Snoke, apparently...!
And I still want to know who Snoke was, and why Darth Sidious never sensed him - and how did Maz acquire Luke's lightsabre?!
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Quote:Yes, another worthwhile scene is Rey climbing up and down an Island mountain to put a light saber in her hand. For comedy! Imagine that! A Jedi refusing to use The Force to draw a light saber to them! IIRC, she had as already drawn this one during her duel with Kylo, from some distance, in TFA. Perhaps Luke was using his Mastery of The Force to hold the lightsaber down to that spot, just to force Rey to climb all about to get to it.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have an idea.
Let's recount the scenes from The Last Jedi which were worthwhile.
It should be a short list, compared to the others.
These would be scenes which, without regard to the story arc, would fit in, mesh with what we saw in Episodes IV - VI. If your assertion is challenged, be prepared to offer examples.
Off the top of my head:
General/Admiral Holdo saves the day.
Rose saves Finn.
Luke at the Cave Showdown, vs. Kylo.
Rey opening the backdoor of the Cave.
Paige Tico releasing the ordinance.
Beebee droid spewing coins as an offensive weapon.
Gen Hux thinking the loss of Supreme Ruler means he is in charge, then being reminded where the Power resides - perhaps the best scene for this character.
Rose zapping Finn, trying to use an escape pod.
Replaying the R2D2 Hologram message from Princess Leia to Obi-wan.
Luke on Millennium Falcon, and with Chewbacca.
Rose figuring out how the active crack ng works, when nobody else bothers.
Millennium Falcon flying shots.
Who else can think of others?
These Jedi kids are a gag-a-minute, I tell ya.
The toss itself seems flippant, petulant, disrespectful of The Force. Not qualities I had associated with Jedi.
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The toss itself seems flippant, petulant, disrespectful of The Force. Not qualities I had associated with Jedi.
Totally out of character for a Jedi, and for Luke. Many have said that it was a "fuck you" to JJ Abrams, but, more importantly, a "fuck you" to the fan base. This is a part of the Jedi lore, and those millions of fans who cosplay and the kids who ask mommy and daddy "Can I please have a lightsaber like Luke Skywalker."
To me it was a total slap in the face as a fan, so I could imagine those who truly delve into the movie magic of becoming a Jedi in real life. People take their Star Wars seriously.
Like it or not, Mark Hamill and the original Star Wars cast, are like gods to these people. Disney shouldn't fuck with the fan base, billions are at stake. Skywalker is not just an iconic hero in cinema history. To the millions of fans he is REAL!
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Yes, another worthwhile scene is Rey climbing up and down an Island mountain to put a light saber in her hand. For comedy! Imagine that! A Jedi refusing to use The Force to draw a light saber to them! IIRC, she had as already drawn this one during her duel with Kylo, from some distance. Perhaps Luke was using his Mastery of The Force to hold the lightsaber down to that spot, just to force Rey to climb all about to get to it.
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I have an idea.
Let's recount the scenes from The Last Jedi which were worthwhile.
It should be a short list, compared to the others.
These would be scenes which, without regard to the story arc, would fit in, mesh with what we saw in Episodes IV - VI. If your assertion is challenged, be prepared to offer examples.
Off the top of my head:
General/Admiral Holdo saves the day.
Rose saves Finn.
Luke at the Cave Showdown, vs. Kylo.
Rey opening the backdoor of the Cave.
Paige Tico releasing the ordinance.
Beebee droid spewing coins as an offensive weapon.
Gen Hux thinking the loss of Supreme Ruler means he is in charge, then being reminded where the Power resides - perhaps the best scene for this character.
Rose zapping Finn, trying to use an escape pod.
Replaying the R2D2 Hologram message from Princess Leia to Obi-wan.
Luke on Millennium Falcon, and with Chewbacca.
Rose figuring out how the active crack ng works, when nobody else bothers.
Millennium Falcon flying shots.
Who else can think of others?
These Jedi kids are a gag-a-minute, I tell ya.
The toss itself seems flippant, petulant, disrespectful of The Force. Not qualities I had associated with Jedi.
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