Dow @ 20K. Time to jump off!
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Quote:Millions of hard working Americans letting their retirement accounts ride the backs of the enterprising corporations.
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Dow closed at 24,792 on Monday. All 3 major indices hit all-time highs.
*Voice of Doom from some Marvel flic* "Corporations gorging on the fat of The People. There will be a Reckoning."
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Quote:no. Just because Obama sent the job overseas like he promised he would does not mean Americans stopped working hard. Now they just have to work harder at their multiple 28hour jobs under Obamanomics.
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:Millions of hard working Americans letting their retirement accounts ride the backs of the enterprising corporations.
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Dow closed at 24,792 on Monday. All 3 major indices hit all-time highs.
*Voice of Doom from some Marvel flic* "Corporations gorging on the fat of The People. There will be a Reckoning."
Do you mean "hardly working" Americans because those corps sent their jobs overseas?
Quote:All who have 401Ks. I suppose "dummy" would be redundant.
Curious:
- How many employed Americans do you think are reaping the benefits of this market?
Quote:what flash bounty? The pent up funds are finally being freed after Obama holding them back for near a decade.
- Do you think these corps are creating jobs with this new, flash bounty?
Quote:yes, vividly - but clearly you don't. It began in Oct 2007 when the Rock-the-Vote Democraps had their first Federal Budget take effect, and continued under Obamas stomping it down, until it finally withstood the havoc of Obamination, bottoming on 9 Mar 2009, IIRC. Yes, I more than doubled my retirement fund during this time, sometimes gaining 12% in only 4 days.
- Do you remember the bust of 2008?
Quote:you should stick with a pension plan, and don't worry your simple little head about building a retirement fund where the Grown Ups do.
When people's retirement accounts nearly evaporated? If so, do you think this kind of national retirement gamble (surely that is what this is) is wise?=
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Well... I did have a great job with a 401k and 100% company match until about a year after Obama was elected.
That's really Clinton's fault though. I couldn't blame that on Obama anymore than you could blame it on Trump.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Quote:I wasn't aware so many were refusing to participate in retirement funds, but I shouldn't be surprised.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I did have a great job with a 401k and 100% company match until about a year after Obama was elected.:)
I don't even remember the last time I heard of a job without 401k.
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Quote:apparently the number is a hot secret. But phrases like "typical American" imply most. Your own link indicates at least 2/3 of Americans.
Originally posted by G:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Curious:Quote:All who have 401Ks. I suppose "dummy" would be redundant.
- How many employed Americans do you think are reaping the benefits of this market?
I asked "How many?" Not "How do you spell "JEWELSTAITEFAN?" So *thanks* for being the dummy.
It doesn't look like many:
https://www.fool.com/retirement/2017/06/19/does-the-average-american-h
ave-a-401k.aspx
Does the Average American Have a 401(k)?
The answer might surprise you.
Maurie Backman (TMFBookNerd) Jun 19, 2017 at 6:29AM
There's a reason 401(k) plans are a popular choice for those looking to set aside money for the future. Not only are contributions traditionally tax-free, but because they're deducted directly from earnings, the process of funding a 401(k) is as seamless as can be. That's why it's surprising to learn that the average American does not, in fact, have a 401(k) -- especially given the number of employees who have the option to participate in one.
Or take advantage of them:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-02-21/two-thirds-of-ameri
cans-aren-t-putting-money-in-their-401-k
I'm sure it was Obama's fault though, so you don't have to explain.
Do you have clear figures on how many have a retirement account, or 401k?
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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:I wasn't aware so many were refusing to participate in retirement funds, but I shouldn't be surprised.
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Well... I did have a great job with a 401k and 100% company match until about a year after Obama was elected.:)
I don't even remember the last time I heard of a job without 401k.
At this point, I have to assume you're joking. I'm not going to outright accuse you of trolling.
The three or four jobs I've had since I got laid off did not offer a 401k. It's not a matter of refusing to participate.
I'd never accuse you of being an Elitist, JSF, but it must be nice to run in the circles that you run in. Even during the times in my life that I was fortunate enough to make good money and have a nice 401k plan I knew plenty of people who didn't have the option.
More than 50% of American households today make less than the federal poverty level. My guess is that less than 50% of the jobs out there offer any kind of retirement plan at all. Even if it were more, many of those people couldn't afford to participate even if it was offered. The only reason I'd be able to next year when I would be eligible for the 100% match on the first 6% of almost nothing is because I don't have a mortgage or car payment. I don't believe there are many other people in this country making near minimum that could say that.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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I hav a glimmer uv hope that the crash will be so bad that the banks will go under. Yay! No more morgaj!
Probably not worth the other problemz that go along with a Depression size crash, but still a brite spot in a gloomy picture.
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Yeah. I seen that movie. I think it was Mad Max Beyond the Thunderdome.
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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First therez Mad Max. Then around 10 yirz later its at the Road Warrior faze. Another 10 yirz or so and you got yer Thunderdome.
Or it coud go really bad much faster. Did you see The Road?
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Apparently, in 2006 there were 51 million Americans with a 401k. Not including IRA, 301b, 403b, etc.
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