New "Doctor Who" trailer
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UPDATED: Friday, January 5, 2018 03:14
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It's something I've always considered watching from the very beginning one day.
Since it originally ran from 1963-1989 and the 2005- version is a continuation, not a reboot, that would make re-watching Game of Thrones pretty trivial by comparison :-) That said, its probably easier to pick up part-way through than GoT... since the show is older than VCRs (and chunks of the show from the 60s have been lost) those of us who are under 60 managed to muddle through somehow!
Yeah... LOL. I'm aware of the history of the show, though not in great detail. A more appropriate comparison of something I've always meant to watch but would be a chore now is every season of every Stargate show out there.
They've really actually lost chunks of the original run though? That's a shame. :(
Do Right, Be Right. :)
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Want to know what rustles my jimmies ? All this b.s. talk by the Left of " cultural appropriation " , and yet they're the ones LITERALLY appropriating characters and genders, for their own damn agenda ! 50 + years of The Doctor being a male, and it's perfectly fine. So a couple of years ago, knowing in advance they were going to flip him to her, the writers just arbitrarily made it a thing, when before, it's never been. So then, when they DO flip the Doctor, they have a built in ( PHONY AS HELL ) excuse...' Oh yeah, we've seen this on Gallifrey already. It's old news. ' 2 years ago, if that !! Spare me ! There's no canon for this type of crap ! They just made it up to fit current psychosis of gender flipping mania that's going around, screw everything anyone else has done w/ this show since before they were even BORN!!
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Snowflake hypocrisy.
It's at the very core of everything they say and everything they do.
Don't worry Rappy... they're going to get what's coming to them. It can only go on for so long before they start tripping all over themselves.
I'd urge you to look into the events surrounding Lena Dunham in the last month or two for a good example of what I'm talking about.
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I've posted this before, and it's not just Dr. Who. Many want to make Idris Elba into James Bond. Not just ANY 00 agent, but actually CALL him James Bond ! That's ridiculous ! Clearly he's shown himself to be of the same caliber of awesome. But the agents should be seen like the XXX franchise. ( no, not THOSE xxx movies ) Where Xander Cage is enlisted , then they introduce Darius Stone... different actor, for a different character, but still the same level of bad assery.
And don't get me started on Thor-ina, what ever the hell that was about.
I just detest and reject this damn appropriation crap, for all of its lazy, pointless and ridiculous absurdity.
Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen
I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
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Appropriation. That's exactly what it is.
Watch this though. Watch how she puts her hands on him when he wants to just leave, and then yells that he isn't to put his hands on her.
Then she asks the guy with the camera "why are you filming this?", and when he says "for everyone's safety", she tries to take the camera.
Typical, hypocritical SJW left.
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Well, as it was a farewell to Peter Capaldi, I chose to watch. A bit convoluted, more so than your standard Dr Who episode. I liked the sentiment, but in the end, in comparison to the others , this felt a bit overly self serving ( to the writers ) and a long winded good-bye to a good, but honestly, the least compelling Doctor as of late.
And I don't blame Capaldi one bit for the stories which were given him. I think he showed himself to be quite capable and could have been far better than he was allowed to show.
But we all know this wasn't about Peter Capaldi as it was about setting up the NEXT Doctor. Oh, how they tried to casually, cleverly drop in dated references to women and a woman's place. Yes, we GET IT already.
An end of an era - well, they got one thing right. Hardly anyone could call the 12th Doctor's appearance an ' era '. His was hardly special at all, unfortunately. The 'era' is that a He will become a She, and that truly is the end of the Doctor.
Sure didn't seem like the Tardis appreciated the change all that much either. Tossed the new gal out on her ass and looks like it was going to self destruct. Wouldn't blame it if it had. But , of course, I'm sure it'll 'fix' itself and reappear, some how, all pink an frilly inside...
Yeah, I'll stop right there.
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At the risk of getting sucked into the political part of this conversation, "appropriation" is exactly the wrong term. This is actually the opposite.
But that's neither here nor there.
If The Doctor is a woman or James Bond is black, so what? I mean, as long as the stories are good.
"Timeless" characters like Bond and The Doctor and comic book characters are recast, rebooted, and re-imagining all the time. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
Let's look at James Bond as a theoretical example. He's been played by three Englishmen, an Irishman, a guy from Scotland, another one from Wales, an Australian and an American. His age and appearance have shifted through the decades, and if we consider him as a single individual who has been in constant service to the Crown, he's over 100 years old.
There are two ways to interpret James Bond: either he's a single individual (in which case his story essentially makes no consistent sense) or he's actually a series of individuals taking on the assignment of "James Bond, 007," in which case, why couldn't be be black? Or Asian? Or once again American or Australian?
Now, I would say that makes James Bond a WOMAN might be a bit problematic, because his (for lack of a better term) "maleness" has always been an integral part of the character, no matter the actor or interpretation. But beyond that, as long as the writing is good, does it matter?
(Having said that, Trevor Noah has a good bit on why, even though he loves Idris Elba, he shouldn't be Bond: because most of the places Bond goes are full of white guys, and he's stand out as the obvious spy, an inversion of the clever opening moments of Vin Diesel's xXx.)
On The Doctor... Yes, the role has always been a male up to now, but, once again, we're looking at a character who has been interpreted and reimagined multiple times across generations. Within that time, he's just age and appearance time and time again in a way that defies categorization or expectation. Do we have any reason to believe that, with enough reincarnations, The Doctor WOULDN'T become a woman? (Or for that matter, black or Asian or Australian or - God forbid! - American?)
Caveat: I have been a loyal fan of the show since it's return a decade or so again, but any and all efforts to attempt to watch the earlier incarnations have been met with boredom and slumber. With that in mind, there may be something in the earlier versions that long-timers can point to.
A lot of the enjoyment of this current interpretation of Doctor Who is the interplay between The Doctor du jour and the Companion(s) du jour, as well as the tension of the current status quo vs the previous. Sometimes it works great. Sometimes, not so much. If this particular interation works well, who cares? And if it doesn't work well, that's not because The Doctor happens to be female. It will be the fault of bad writing or casting.
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At the risk of getting sucked into the political part of this conversation, "appropriation" is exactly the wrong term. This is actually the opposite.
But that's neither here nor there.
If The Doctor is a woman or James Bond is black, so what? I mean, as long as the stories are good.
No, not " so what ? ". It matters. 50 years of building a brand , an image, of something which has become to be known to stand for something, and in an instant, that's been hijacked.
We already know the Doctor is NOT the last of the Timelords. So why the hell not just introduce a way for another to escape, this time a woman? Honestly, how freaking hard is that ?
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"Timeless" characters like Bond and The Doctor and comic book characters are recast, rebooted, and re-imagining all the time. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't.
Bond was crafted after a specific individual. He wasn't black, or gay, nor was he a she. That's the POINT ! It doesn't prohibit that any of those - gay, black, female, dwarf, trans... could ALSO be their own brand of "00" agent. In fact, it's a sad shortcut to appropriate / steal / over write, what ever works best for you, another established character just to appease the whims of a lazy current culture.
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Let's look at James Bond as a theoretical example. He's been played by three Englishmen, an Irishman, a guy from Scotland, another one from Wales, an Australian and an American. His age and appearance have shifted through the decades, and if we consider him as a single individual who has been in constant service to the Crown, he's over 100 years old.
All white males, btw. After the original real life individual who the character was created.
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There are two ways to interpret James Bond: either he's a single individual (in which case his story essentially makes no consistent sense) or he's actually a series of individuals taking on the assignment of "James Bond, 007," in which case, why couldn't be be black? Or Asian? Or once again American or Australian?
Because he's not. He's one CHARACTER, and that person happens to be a white male. Doesn't keep a black lesbian from being ANOTHER " 00 " agent, full of her own brand of awesome, clever quirks, skills, etc...
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Now, I would say that makes James Bond a WOMAN might be a bit problematic, because his (for lack of a better term) "maleness" has always been an integral part of the character, no matter the actor or interpretation. But beyond that, as long as the writing is good, does it matter?
It matters because it's not James Bond. You mean to tell me that ONLY excellent writing can be accompanied by a MALE 00 agent ? This makes absolutely no sense, what so ever.
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(Having said that, Trevor Noah has a good bit on why, even though he loves Idris Elba, he shouldn't be Bond: because most of the places Bond goes are full of white guys, and he's stand out as the obvious spy, an inversion of the clever opening moments of Vin Diesel's xXx.)
Exactly my point !! Thank you !
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On The Doctor... Yes, the role has always been a male up to now, but, once again, we're looking at a character who has been interpreted and reimagined multiple times across generations. Within that time, he's just age and appearance time and time again in a way that defies categorization or expectation. Do we have any reason to believe that, with enough reincarnations, The Doctor WOULDN'T become a woman? (Or for that matter, black or Asian or Australian or - God forbid! - American?)
Caveat: I have been a loyal fan of the show since it's return a decade or so again, but any and all efforts to attempt to watch the earlier incarnations have been met with boredom and slumber. With that in mind, there may be something in the earlier versions thatNOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:As of today, 840 episodes of Doctor Who have aired. The regenerations are the primary reason Doctor Who was able to evolve from British children’s educational programming to a 50-years-old-and-counting genre TV standard with fans all around the world. The show was always science fiction, and it had always had time travel and visits to alien worlds baked into its premise of an alien in a stolen spaceship gallivanting about the cosmos. But the regeneration aspect has meant that any time the show seemed to be creatively flagging, it could recast its main role and jet off in another direction. The new showrunner, Chris Chibnall, worked with the new Dr. Who, Jodie Whittaker, previously on Broadchurch, a terrific collaboration that suggests great things for the new Doctor.
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The companion doesn't need to be a smokin' hot girl. Or even a cute girl. But the writing will , as always , be the key. I just think it's a cop out. A surrender to the nonsense of today's " fluid " gender fad. Over all, I think it hurts the franchise because of 12 prior versions and 50 + years of established back stories and episodes.
I don't mind a female time lord, in her own TARDIS. Just not going to be a fan of her being THE Doctor.
Never.
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly
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