Discussion of Wind River
POSTED BY: JEWELSTAITEFAN
UPDATED: Sunday, June 20, 2021 09:01
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Those goons give me the creeps, I don't get them. The first time they seemed irrational enough, but watching again they are just evil.
Curtis is asked, nicely and repeatedly, to remove Pete from Matt's quarters and effectively cease his harassment of the girlfriend. After absolute disregard by Curtis and everybody else, Matt throwns Pete out and closes the sliding door.
Sure, they are drunk, but how does that get fun?
Then they beat up Matt? When he's out, they start raping the girl, with Matt still there? WTF?
None of them stops the event, and seem to line up for turns. When Matt comes to and starts giving Pete the beat down he richly deserves, what do they do? They gang up to kill Matt? I just don't get these clowns.
And then they're setting up FBI girl and the Sheriffs, flanking them, drawing on them, directing Pete to shoot the Agent, so they can all kill the entire group.
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Wow. I did not realize Jane is borrowing the clothes of Cory's dead daughter, the best friend of the newly dead girl. The info was presented, but I did not put it together until this second viewing.
In my first post about the film I indicated there was not too much presented that couldn't be absorbed in one viewing. I was really wrong on that point.
I found it endearing each time, when Jane self-depricates with "I'm not much help, but I'm all you've got" to Sheriff Ben. She's at least game.
I feel the need to state the names of these 2 fictional girls, so memories of them could be cherished.
Cory's Emily Lambert and Martin's Natalie Hanson.
Maybe the best LOL line: Ben's "This thing is solving itself"
I can tell that I was a lot more alert when I saw this in cinema.
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Quote:have you seen it Moose?
Originally posted by Moose:
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I will now offer some spoon feeding. I fully understand that some of you will have no need or use of it.
When Cory finally gets Jane to get interested in the snowmobile tracks, and she goes with him, at some point he stops and says they must walk instead. She asks why, he says because the trees are too thick and something else, like it's too high up.
But they are following the one-way track of another snowmobile, which didn't seem to stop. Is this BS from Cory? Is she dumb to trust this answer? Is this snow/mountain version of getting "stuck in the mud" he is trying? Is this a hole in the plot?
Now maybe the story is that there are 2 riders on his sled, so maybe it cannot labor effectively in these conditions. And he says he knows this land, so perhaps he should get the benefit of a doubt. Or maybe he is concerned about an ambush along these 2 day old tracks.
But the first couple times I saw this scene I thought Wait A Sec! What's this BS?
They find the body, and stop following the one-way track to see where it goes. At this point you can realize that this body was on the other Snowmobile, and weighing more than Jane, and also dead weight sticking out a yard on each side of the sled, so that possible interpretation is rendered moot or invalid.
The next morning he is tracking the lion family miles away, and runs across the one-way snowmobile track again.
IIRC, this track shows one ski and half or less of the "track" or drive belt, and then when the track catches a full width of snow, at avdrift peak, the sledvdid not go airborne with velocity, but the track sunk into the snow relative to the skis, indicating the throttle was tweaked, the track was spun, from loss of adequate traction.
This half of a track view may have intended to bolster the contention that Cory was right to be more cautious with Jane aboard.
This is an interesting presentation of snowmobile track.
If we assume this is the track as originally laid, then the driver was pretty competent, or maybe reckless. The orientation of the track and the ski was level. Normally when driving with half the sled hanging over mid-air on the side of a mountain, only one ski and half the track in contact, you would try to tilt the sled, leaning into the mountain or upslope, like putting all the weight balanced on one ski. This would produce a depression that was heavily slanted, tilted, not flat level.
So driving a snowmobile on a sloped mountainside, riding on one ski and half or less of track, going uphill and keeping the sled level side-to-side, that is fair competent. And during this stretch, if he would have tweaked the throttle then the track would have spun and slid out from under him, initiating a side rollover in treacherous terrain. This includes letting the speed drop too far such that more throttle would be needed, causing the spin out. So, essentially, this half-track section happened while powered, yet coasting down in speed.
And then at the drift peak, the sled changes direction, so it needed to be practically stopped there. All of this a careful ballet of momentum, inertia, balance,traction, according to the evidence displayed.
I didn't know how well some would recognize such a subtle presentation.
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Something that reminded me of Mal.
After the introductory scene of one character (Natalie), next we see a gun on a rampage, the gun shooting furry critters. Then we learn that the gun is not shooting itself, lacking Gun Control. The gun is being used by a person to shoot and hit what is targeted - that is proper Gun Control. The gun is hitting accurately enough to avoid unneeded misery, and mercifully ending lives instantaneously - that is proper Control of Gun.
This is revealed as Cory doing the shooting, Controlling the Gun.
In a later scene, FBI Agent Jane along with Joe (Sheriff or Tribal Police Chief?) are in a wild shootout against perps inside a trailer home, and after being attacked they call out to Cory for assistance, for he is on the opposite side of the trailer home. Cory approaches the rear door, and waits. Looks around, sees a snow shovel, grabs it. Uses the shovel to overcome the 2 escaping thugs (even before anybody else is actually hit).
Mal makes clear in Pilot Serenity that he can use a gun to headshot Dobson. In Train Job he is regretful that he must end Crow. In Ariel he uses a wrench to subdue Jayne.
Both of these guys are not above using nonlethal force, except as last resort.
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Quote:I really felt this was the best script of the year.
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Brought over from the Wind River thread:Quote:Yes, I am a city guy, but I do get that "attitude" from certain folk who think because they make a little more than you that they know it all. Yes, we even get that in the city. But, to answer your question, I picked up on that right off. The screenwriter did a fantastic job of delivering on those subtle glances, looks and reactions throughout this film. It's not only from the Cops/Sheriffs v. Feds dynamic, but from the Cityslickers v. Countryboys.
I'm thinking that you, SGG, are a city guy, or nearly so. So I'll ask: are you aware of the more reserved nature, maybe taciturn mode of these rural guys? All of them snickering at the Feeb, her desk ways, the FBI Bureaucratic methods, the lack of "Street sense" and her dogged determination to waste her efforts, instead of using their expertise to solve things? F&WS guy wants to help her, but he's not going to spoon-feed her, and she ignores his offers to help get her focused and straightened out.
If you have a chance to watch it again, see if you can tell the silent tug of war between their levels of conversation, action, authority, and acumen. He wants to help the fish out of water, but she's stubborn. This layering of interaction and exchange was really done well. Amazing. Reminds me of Fargo, as well.
I was thinking Olsen was Lead Actress.
Did the scoring feel familiar?
If you didn't pick up on it, the sheriff (Ben - Graham Greene) even said as she pulled up to the house at the beginning "Here he is," expecting to see a male agent.
Subtle also was the "barb" they gave her regarding her winter attire. Fish-out-of-water? You bet.
Before I go further, I took an educated guess that Renner was lead for a couple of reasons: one, they started with him (after the set up of the girl running through the snow; brilliantly done BTW. It both set up the mystery and set the tone of the movie). Then comes "Cory" (Renner) and his set-up was: not a cop, but a local official with roots in the community and we are told (within the story mind you) that he's an excellent tracker - Fish, Game & Wildlife. He's definitely the country boy, but he's nobody's fool. We find out that he's patient (you almost have to be, to be a good tracker) because he takes his time in teaching his son; there's tension between him and the boy's mother; but he's a stand-up guy because he encourages his ex to find work where she can, and that he will pay child support. The tension is not typical lover's spat or mistreatment by either side...so what gives? I'm thinking what's the reason for them not being together; you know he loves his son. And that "looks like I'm in trouble" that "Cory" says as he walks in to pick up his son.
What does that tell us, the audience? This guy is a straight shooter (literally) a good father, a patient guy, strong-willed, a survivor. All this but we get more, little clues as to the type of guy "Cory" is. He later shows that patience with "Jane" and even proceeds to teach her about tracking. The more I write, the more I'm realizing that this was a helluva script.
I gotta stop for a while, my hands/fingers are getting tired.
SGG
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Those goons give me the creeps, I don't get them. The first time they seemed irrational enough, but watching again they are just evil.
Curtis is asked, nicely and repeatedly, to remove Pete from Matt's quarters and effectively cease his harassment of the girlfriend. After absolute disregard by Curtis and everybody else, Matt throwns Pete out and closes the sliding door.
Sure, they are drunk, but how does that get fun?
Then they beat up Matt? When he's out, they start raping the girl, with Matt still there? WTF?
None of them stops the event, and seem to line up for turns. When Matt comes to and starts giving Pete the beat down he richly deserves, what do they do? They gang up to kill Matt? I just don't get these clowns.
And then they're setting up FBI girl and the Sheriffs, flanking them, drawing on them, directing Pete to shoot the Agent, so they can all kill the entire group.
They are on Federal land and if the agent got away to tell...is why I think that scene happened. Kill a Federal agent on Federal land.
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The Wind River reservation is divided. There are two tribes that occupy that land. The Shoshoni(mine) and the Arapaho, which the film deals with.
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